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740:, no. 819. I suspect the Mezgebino in the first one (from 1200) is the same place as Seingibis in the second. A summary of them is fine. If Boas is correct (which I assume), then the second one say " "In 1207/08 the Hospitallers received from Lady Juliana of Caesarea the villages of Pharaon (FarÂŽun) and Seingibis (Khirbat Nisf Jubail)" What would be very significant, is whether they say anything about the distance between Pharaon and Mezgebino/Seingibis, And remember that little magnifying glass on the page to get the text larger!! (Btw: you got mail), Cheers, 289: 268: 21: 299: 220: 237: 161: 1069: 519:, 2004, p. 451; I donÂŽt have the book, and I can only preview the first page, 451, From that the good news is: it is about this place (it gives the grid-numbers). The bad news: It states "In 1207, the village was called Casale Seingebis and was the property of Juliana of the Hospitalers, part of the territory of Crusader Cesarea". 837:
Jeezus that is just a tasteless fruit-salad of commingled names, but the gist is, slightly differing from Boas, that 'Ademarius, the lord of Caesaria, with the consent of his wife Juliana etc., signed over to the Soquerii the ploughland and its income spread over Kafarleto etc.,' including Mezgebino,
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The second dated Feb 1207 has Juliana yielding up the casale of Pharaon and Seingibis 'whose boundaries extend from the east to Cavea and Petra Molarum, to the borders of Caphet (Keffa per Conder)), south as far as the boundaries of Phardesi . .from the west up to the boundaries of Calanchun, from
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However, Boas p. 82 writes: "In 1207/08 the Hospitallers received from Lady Juliana of Caesarea the villages of Pharaon (FarŽun) and Seingibis (Khirbat Nisf Jubail)" cited to note 67 (p. 276): Cart. des Hosp., no. 1251; and Röhricht, 1893, RHH p.
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have imposed a sex-change on poor Juliana, it seems. I don't see what it is sourced to (if anything), but in any case: This is complete rubbish. I assume it is based on the same source as Boas, in which case the sentence "Nisf Jubeil had been a
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Okay kiddo. But gimme a day or two to pull my finger out. I've got a bad case of cerebral hemarrhoids and need a bex, a cuppa or two and a carton of fags,to finish reading a Gibson novel, to freshen up for this humongous task of textual
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was Phardesi (already in the article, thanks to Khalidi!), and Keffa (just a ruin on SWP 11) was Crusader Caphet. But this means that Röhricht was probably wrong! He clearly writes "nunc Nufs Jebul" in 1893, p.
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The letters aren't linked because they're oriented from left to right (thus being spelled backwards). Could someone please plug this correct spelling in to all the necessary spots: Ù†Ű”Ù ŰŹŰšÙŠÙ„
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Archaeology of the Military Orders: A Survey of the Urban Centres, Rural Settlement and Castles of the Military Orders in the Latin East (c. 1120-1291)
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In any case: Boas writes Khirbat Nisf Jubail, ie the other one. So the sentence "In 1207 the Knights Hospitallers were granted the village by Lady
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I wish I knew what Ellenblum base his 1838 info on (there is no ref.) It is not Robinson, he only mentions Nisf Jubeil in passing.
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by Robinson & Smith in 1838 (when it was still counted as a village); see Robinson and Smith, 1841, vol 3, 2nd appendix, p.
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along with nearby Far'un" goes out. (That means of course that the above DYK was completely wrong
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which he says is 'otherwise known as Seingebis, now called Nusf Jebul.' But note that the date for this is February 1201.
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back in 2012. And that for a DYK on the front page, no less <facepalm/: -->
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Just saw this now, the Pal.rem site also has your spelling, so I changed it,
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near. Did Clermont-Ganneau (and everyone afterwards) get it wrong? Cheers,
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were granted the village by Lady Juliana of Caesarea along with nearby
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it is clear that the Nifs Jubeil he is taking about is the one by
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The above book p 41 has lots of info about this (including the
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