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This was previously raised in connection with this article's DYK nomination: the translation of "задорный" as "provocative" is a huge stretch that doesn't match the widespread meaning of the word in Russian, where it typically bears the meaning of "impassioned/perky", i.e. one filled with "zador" –
780:"fervour/pep/zeal". The current translation cited in the article is sourced from a book written by a non-Russian speaking author who understandably couldn't have possibly verified the accuracy of translations for every ship name in a great number of languages. But, alas, 224: 121: 682:
Nominated on the day it received its GA star. The article has inline citations to reliable sources; AGF on offline sources. QPQ not needed as this is a first nomination. Hook is short enough, and interesting. But the article says that the name means
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I contacted Michael Holm and he uses Russian language sources, particularly Yuri Apalkov's series of books.
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The Holm source appears to be an enthusiast blog. I'm not seeing evidence that it is reliable. -
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prevails. However, is there anything that can possibly be done to rectify this error?
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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Thank you for spotting that typo. The error is now corrected.
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Source: "Zadornyy (Russian: Задорный, "Provocative")"
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was named after the Russian word for "provocative"?
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was named after the Russian word for "provocative"?
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