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The companies that use these areas often have vast operations in the Gulf countries and less in North Africa, where Arabic is also spoken, so they bundle. Next they might have close to nothing going on in the rest of Africa so some discount that continent entirely and combine it as well. Africa is a
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Starting from a total PV energy production of 15 TW*0.011%=1.76 GW, a 40% annual increase would give a total PV energy production after 20 years of 1.76 GW*1.4^20=1.47 TW. This is 1.47/15=9.8% of the total consumption (assuming consumption doesn't increase), not 30% as claimed by the caption/figure.
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To give an example: Egypt is in the Middle East and in Africa. After you inserted the Middle East between the continents, either Africa or the Middle East is incomplete or you are dealing with double listing. You also misled the reader to believe that the Middle East is an equivalent of Africa, or
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What can be done, without compromising Africa and Asia, is introducing sub-regions for Europe and Asia as both continents have a large number of countries listed. This includes all current Middle East countries (no Egypt yet in the list). These will be in another group from that of other parts of
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I took out "cheap" and some other stuff, but put "economic". The conditions that make it economic can be discussed if you like, and if you have a good source, but obviously the solar power is economic for some reason, and not necessarily limited to the reasons you suggest. Even in the US where
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Inserting the Middle East between the continents is a lot like adding sand into cake batter as it is bound to spoil any and all outcomes! Now obviously sand does belong in some mixture (concrete) and likewise it is good to keep in mind that the Middle East is not just another region, but a very
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Solar pv use is certainly on the rise, but solar pv can hardly be called cheap. It is positively high priced, can only compete with grid electricity when doing so on a skewed playing field, ie with one or more of the following situations:
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By the end of 2014, cumulative photovoltaic capacity increased by more than 40 gigawatt (GW) and reached at least 178 GW, sufficient to supply 1 percent of the world's total electricity consumption of currently 18,400 TWh.
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It is too simplistic to be saying that investors in
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Asia and your plead will be addressed to the best of the
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Another point you raised is that individual firms sometimes have a "MEA" or a "MENA" region as part of their operations (or they may have other parts of Europe, Asia and Africa combined). A few points:
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Thanks for noticing. This should be corrected in the original table for the few countries affected. I have no time right now, but if anybody wants to do this please go ahead. --
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since it's a very wordy and indirect title now. There is a lot of overlap in solar power articles and this title could collect information now scattered in other places. --
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Feel free to add any other solar technology you know about that puts energy into the grid. I know there's a big solar thermal plant in southern california; are there more?
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These businesses typically differ among themselves, as you implied: once MEA, once MENA, but also with different boundaries, and different combinations exist as well.
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Deployment of Solar Power to energy grids? To me this means all types of solar power, not just pv.
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The Middle East showed up again. This time as a FAKE subcontinent. This is totally unacceptable! 13:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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The second is a large photovoltaic plant. The first is a much much larger solar trough plant. Article sorted out.
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