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join some political militant group(s) is news fodder. It hardly encapsulates the community at large - "Knowledge considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion." Wikinews is there for that. The macro here is that some individuals committed fraud or some individuals got deported who are no longer in the country and how does deported individuals represent
Norwegian Somalis living their today. And am sure its a question you cant answer anyhow please stay on topic and also some of the information with regards to the culture section of greater sexual freedoms gifted to somali males over females did not even exist on the article, the article was about job inequality between somali males and females not about sexual freedom, and the information was simply false as i have read through the entire article also sexual freedom is coincided taboo in the somali community a topic thats never discussed and most somali parents encourage their children to get married rather then engage in what they view as sinful or haram activity and encourage the hairdressing for modesty for example in accordance with islamic principles. The article is a reason for one of my many edits on somalis in Norway page as and the diaspora as a whole and please do not revert without engaging in the talk page we definitely dont need such leads in the beginning of the article and please take reference from Somalis in the united kingdom page or Somali Americans page for some inspiration on how a lead should be written kind regards Sahasu (talk) 14:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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Sverige og Danmark (Andersen og Tranæs, 2011; Danmarks Statistik, 2017; Kardell og Carlsson, 2009). Forskjeller i kjønns- og alderssammensetningen forklarer en god del av overrepresentasjonen, og alder er en særlig viktig forklaringsfaktor blant norskfødte med innvandrerforeldre. Overrepresentasjonen består imidlertid i de fleste grupper som i utgangspunktet er overrepresentert også etter at slike faktorer er tatt hensyn til. Arbeidsinnvandrere er et viktig unntak. Videre finner vi at det er vesentlig variasjon i andelen gjerningspersoner og siktede personer etter innvandringsbakgrunn. Blant innvandrere er overrepresentasjonen særlig stor blant personer med bakgrunn fra asiatiske og afrikanske land, og blant personer som har fått opphold i Norge grunnet flukt og familieetablering eller -gjenforening. Personer med bakgrunn fra vesteuropeiske og nordamerikanske land, samt utdanningsinnvandrere, er underrepresentert. Også innad i hver landgruppe – og da særlig i Asia – finner vi enkeltland som er både overrepresentert (herunder Tyrkia, Afghanistan, Irak og Iran) og underrepresentert (herunder Filippinene, India, Kina og Thailand). Dette illustrerer nok en gang hvordan gruppen av innvandrere er heterogent sammensatt og bidrar på ulike vis og i ulik grad til det totale kriminalitetsbildet i Norge.
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realy how a lead should be written please take inspiration from somalis in the united kingdom page or Somali
Americans page it doesnt matter if any of it is true should we document every single individual person who has committed a crime and who happens to belong to a ethnic group and put that in the lead of all ethnic groups should we have nazi death camps in the lead of the German ethnic group should we also have osama bin laden and isis in the lead to a saudi ethnic group page or an arab ethnic group page or every single rape committed by a white person to be on the lead of all major European ethnic group pages i think not Please do not revert and let's keep this in the talk page--
1976:. Several concerns have been expressed above about the balance of the article, which is heavily focused on social problems that Somalis in Norway face. Unfortunately, I can't understand Norwegian, so I can't do as much as I'd like to address this issue. For those that do, however, some ideas for things that could be added to the article are coverage of research understanding why some of the social issues exist, the role of Norwegian Somalis in funding reconstruction in Somalia, remittance businesses, and famous Norwegian Somalis and their achievements. While
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Well then please add the full quote from the report WP:NOTFORUM and WP:OR. This is also applied to you And yes they do come from a source and I will post it here as well but you need to quote the entire report word for word. Also the fact that immigrants commit more crime due to cultural differences
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justere for bosted (M3) gir ingen eller liten endring for samtlige landgrupper. Justering for bosted øker andelen gjerningspersoner noe fra enkelte asiatiske land, men endringene er små og ikke statistisk signifikante (se vedleggstabell B1). Overrepresentasjonen kan dermed ikke forklares med at flere
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why does somalis in norway have to have such inflamatory leads about deported indeviduals no longer in norway or reffrences to fraud i dont see any of this in the wiki pages of other ethnic groups also As per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, a handful of men getting deported committing crime or reportedly meeting to
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Another way to look at "statistic compensation" is that every crime has a victim. So what "statistics compensation" say is that "if you're a victim of crime perpertrated by a criminal from a minority group, your injuries count less". Does this also hold true if the victim is from another minority or
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Filipinos really have a HIGHER crime rate". 2) This whole thing with "statistic compensation" is dubious and detract from hard fact. Since poor people are not only overrepresented as perpertrators but also victims of crime, should we adjust the vitimisation rate southwards
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Analysene i kapittel 3 har videre vist at det er store forskjeller i andelen gjerningspersoner blant innvandrere med ulike bakgrunn, og at mens innvandrere i gjennomsnitt er overrepresentert, finnes det både overrepresenterte og underrepresenterte grupper innad i gruppen av innvandrere. Innvandrere
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Flere innvandrergrupper ligger riktignok lavt på kriminalitetsstatistikken – under gjennomsnittet for befolkningen ellers. Det gjelder for eksempel innvandrere fra Kina, India og Filippinene. Samtidig har det vært kjent en stund at noen innvandrergrupper ligger veldig høyt. Det gjelder for eksempel
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i dont think this section mentioned that men were allowed to have sexual relations while women were not i think they have greater sexual freedom the report specifically mentioned men have greater sexual morality ie are trusted more with their sexuality then women who are not. Both men and women are
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oh no i didn't say that i meant the lead which is quite negative and also their should be some positive aspects which the lead hardly contains and in fact lacks and i also believe the second paragraph mentioning nationals from Djibouti and Ethiopia who lied about coming from Somalia shouldn't be in
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if a Western European moved to Somalia for example he would break every law in the book compared to native inhabitants such as morality laws, prohibition against alcohol as alcohol consumption is illegal in Somalia compared to an immigrant from similar countries close to Somalia that have similar
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fra asiatiske og afrikanske land, herunder Afghanistan, Iran, Irak og Somalia, er mest overrepresentert. Personer med bakgrunn fra vesteuropeiske og nordamerikanske land, samt enkelte asiatiske land (herunder India, Kina, Thailand og Filipinene) er underrepresentert. Mønsteret blant norskfødte med
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Gender equality is well perceived by the group with regard to work outside the home, but not with regard to sexual activity. The group has the highest birth rate in Norway. 40% rely on the State for substenance. Immigration fraud by claiming blood ties is 1 in 4. The Prime Minister of Somalia is a
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i kapittel 3 har videre vist at det er store forskjeller i andelen gjernings- personer blant innvandrere med ulike bakgrunn, og at mens innvandrere i gjennom- snitt er overrepresentert, finnes det både overrepresenterte og underrepresenterte grupper innad i gruppen av innvandrere. Innvandrere fra
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And one of these references include the information on crime among immigrants in Norway, the article did not specifically detail the nations these immigrants came from, and would otherwise mention continents they came from also according to the report individuals from turkey Afghanistan, Iraq and
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also in regards to the second paragraph lead about somalis who lied about coming from somalia many of these people were not somalis but infacts citizens of neighboring countries like djibouti or ethiopia and as a result i dont think this should be in the lead or in the article at all and doesn't
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i also agree this article has feutured in numerous somali orientated newspapers for its extreme negetive content on the somali community in norway and i also think a new lead which can be short and a good summary of the article is needed i think XavierItzm recent lead was done quite well it didnt
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section says "The main difference when it comes to gender is sexual morality, especially for women. Young men have far more leeway in this area, they can afford a freer way of life that would be greatly sanctioned if a young Norwegian woman behaved in the same way, says Fangen." So what you have
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this was what was written in the original section, i have read the article and their was no mention of whether or not boys have greater sexual freedom sex is generally coincided taboo in the Somali community and most parents would advice against participating in degenerate behavior the only thing
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this article should be about somalis in norway the number of population employment and socio economic situation without the need to mention fraud or crime or deported somalis can the article please just mention the somalis who are here and not the ones deported or whether or not the population is
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For eksempel synker andelen gjerningspersoner fra Afghanistan fra 127,6 til 93,2 per 1000 (en reduksjon på 27 prosent), og for Irak synker andelen fra 125,3 til 102,1 per 1000 (en reduksjon på 21 prosent). Dette betyr at for disse landene henger overrepresentasjonen i vesentlig grad sammen med
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according to the last chapter of the entire report immigrants over represented in crime are from turkey, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.So that means that immigrants from turkey Afghanistan and Iran commit more crime then immigrants from Somalia, and that somali immigrants are not amongst the over
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the quote from the report suggests individuals from countries such as turkey Afghanistan Iraq and Iran were over represented in crime and no where in the report was their a mention of immigrants from somalia among those over represented in crime I think its wrong and quite frankly dishonest to
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I think your approach is a good one - I was just trying to highlight that we can't necessarily be as precise as to put exact percentages on it. Trying to get an indicative sense from the sources (e.g. "about a quarter") might be better than precisely calculating (e.g. "it needs to be 26.5%").
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Yes, I had seen your discussion with him, and had gathered that he had been blocked. So yes, in this case, I added a response to a long-idle comment thread, which we of course do not normally do. To anyone out there, "patriotic" Somalis who are watching this page, WE WILL NOT TOLERATE WILLFUL
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dosent speicifally state the above reference just that check for employment further reduces the proportion of the countries that still have relatively high proportion of perpetrators. this just says that if you reduce employment you can reduce the countries with high number proportion of
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to check for employment (M4) further reduces the proportion of perpetrators for the country groups that still have a relatively high proportion of perpetrators - including Somalia and other Africa, Iraq and Iran. Adjusting for employment further reduces the proportion (i.e. increases
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1427:– Det er helt klart et problem at mange sendes ut av landet og får avbrudd i sin norske skolegang. De får problemer med å bli integrert i det norske samfunnet når de kommer tilbake, sier statssekretær Kristin Holm Jensen i Kunnskapsdepartementet. full quote from the justice minister
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prohibited and discouraged from engaging in sexual relations before marriage in accordance to Islamic principle and i find it very strange that the article mentions that Somali men can engage in sex when most of the times Somali men are discouraged from engaging in sinful behavior
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fra asiatiske og afrikanske land, herunder Afghanistan, Iran, Irak og Somalia, er mest overrepresentert. Personer med bakgrunn fra vesteuropeiske og nordamerikanske land, samt enkelte asiatiske land (herunder India, Kina, Thailand og Filipinene) er underrepresentert.
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As far as I understand it, VR is just proposing to more fully reflect what the source already says, i.e. "Correction for age and gender also results in a significant reduction in the proportion perpetrators among immigrants from Lithuania, Somalia and Iraq".
775:, you are required to discuss your edits on the talk page. You are welcome to add new material to the article, but material being "old" is not a reason to delete it - it's simply part of the history of the subject. Are we going to delete the article about
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Age, sex and employment seem to be the main confounding factors. It tries place of residence but doesn't find much of an adjustment there. I'm honestly surprised someone decided to enter the raw stats without giving consideration to all these confounding
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The article certainly needs restructuring, as the lede should summarise the article, but that's not a reason to delete anything. I do however agree that some of the material is rather pointy and needs to be balanced with less sensationalist reporting.
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It says "Somalia" in the list of countries in "Figur 3.2" on page 30. It's the 15th entry from the bottom. Reference to people from Somalia are also on page 28 as per my first post. Therefore people from Somalia in Norway are mentioned in the report.
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laws such as Yemen or Djibouti. If you include that immigrants from Africa and Asia Afghanistan turkey Somalia are over represented compared to Western Europeans and North American immmigrants that would be reasonable .--
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Også innad i hver landgruppe – og da særlig i Asia – finner vi enkeltland som er både overrepresentert (herunder Tyrkia, Afghanistan, Irak og Iran) og underrepresentert (herunder Filippinene, India, Kina og
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quoted as to avoid any false statements and false conclusions made from the article, And i would greatly appreciate if the article is quoted directly from its own words or at least understood correctly.
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the gender and age structure. Correction for age and gender also results in a significant reduction in the proportion perpetrators among immigrants from Lithuania, Somalia and Iraq...
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mention that Somalis along with afghans and iraqis are over represented in crime even though the report suggested otherwise, i would appreciate if the report is quoted correctly.
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no but minorities and immigrant groups in general am sure this inlcudes somalis in Norway, and yes no problem fellow user have a look at this source from berkely unniversity
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