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The Marin School actually shut down at the end of the 22-23 school year. Something about funding, I think losing an investor. Anyway since it’s not active that should probably be pointed out on the page. Just a brief “The Marin School (which has since closed” or something. I don’t know if any local
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entry. If you disagree with this decision, please state your reasons and create a new entry for the schools of San Rafael, CA. Following that logic, it makes sense to also create a separate article(s) for the neighborhoods of San Rafael. You can simply copy and paste the individually customized
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I'm the one who added the paragraph about cannabis consumption. Numerous websites in addition to Snopes cite San Rafael High School as the origin of the term "420" in relation to cannabis culture. Obviously the time of 4:20 P.M. existed long before the 1970's, but San Rafael High School is where
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Information about all the neighborhoods in San Rafael is just too much detail. It shouldn't be included in the article OR in separate articles. There isn't nearly enough notability. You won't find articles on the neighborhoods of similar sized municipalities. It's not important enough.
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Why does "Terra Linda High School" redirect here? Shouldn't the school have its own page. In addition, this is particularly unsatisfactory as there are several links on this page to Terra Linda High School, which redirect back to the same page.
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by the citizens of San Rafael from the respective neighborhoods. If you want to edit the content to more appropriately reflect the nature of the respective neighborhoods, then feel free to contribute... otherwise, BUTT OUT OF THIS ENTRY!!!
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where uneven and incomplete coverage will be most noticeable. When the material on any single school becomes inconveniently voluminous for the city page, it can be made into an individual article and linked. ] 12:27, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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the trend of smoking pot at said time and finding humor in various sightings of the number "420" originated. In my opinion, this is probably one of if not the most signifigant and important things about San Rafael.
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