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The images are still not justified. Why do you believe that they are? You've added a brief mention of one of the logos (it's not even sourced, so I don't know how you can argue it's significant...) and the other logo isn't even mentioned. If you have an issue with my conduct, contact me on my talk
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I have twice today added new content for this article, so the images are justified, and twice they have have again been removed. Please Iner22 and Gadget850 look over my new edits and see what possibly I am missing. I am trying to be accomodating and keep being met with bad faith.
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Belarus's Scout Motto off the
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Just remembered to tell you guys, I am not going to be here (off on
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