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Yes, but its also not a *military victory*. I agree, the end result is the same, but simply calling it a victory is *deceptive* in the way it describes what happenned.The implication is that Turkey defeated the Kurds - they didn't. IMHO its deceptive and innacurate by summarising the result without
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Sorry but what kind of a nonsense is this? Its a clear victory for the
Turkish side. If you withdraw from a town due to an agreement, its an victory for the other side, no matter if it was an cease fire deal. The town was under siege and they had two options left. This is an clear victory, not a
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747:- the ownership was decided by "negotiation" between the US/SDF and Turkey, at which point they had to pull back to the 30klm zone, and so leave the town. It wasn't a military victory, The TFSA took the town only after the SDF left because they were required to.
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That was a war, this is a battle about a town. Which was captured. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that this was anything but a
Victory for the side who captured the town. Here is a battle that ended similar (and not 200 years ago)
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