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425:"Nikolaidou and Kokkinidou refer to her "continuous scholarly effort, broad intellectual perspective, social contribution and democratic sensitivity" and the innovative nature of her approach to ancient artefacts, particularly iconography on pottery, by which she "moved beyond the images to real people, their everyday life, attitudes and ideologies"" how does this help? again I ask why it matters what those two in particular say, maybe add a qualifier 265:"along with her husband, other archaeologists, and museum employees and their families" perhaps just condense all of those to a few words like "other Greeks", "other archeologists" or something comparable"? - reformatted slightly as I think it's an important point that even families of lower-level museum employees were involved, not just the curators. 42: 292:"many of which have proven foundational to understandings of the Classical world; she also made significant contributions to public access to archaeology through the publication of guidebooks to the National Archaeological Museum and to archaeological sites" I think you'll need to incorporate quotes to support this 295:
There are a couple things in the article that seem a little promotional... Things like "Her contributions to Greek archaeology and museology have often been overlooked due to the focus on prominent male archaeologists over the 'invisible service' of Karouzou's museum curation" just seem a little too
378:, I've now had a chance to go through your comments properly! I've tried to edit the page in accordance with them - where this hasn't been possible or some explanation is needed I've added it by the relevant comment above. I hope this looks OK, please do let me know if more is still needed! 277:"political dissident" Why was she labelled a dissident? We've seen no indication she was even remotely politically active? - probably for her liberal political views rather than any actual political activities as such, have tried to make this clearer. Not much detail on this in sources. 702:, Yeah, a redirect would be helpful. However, that is not a problem to hold up the promotion of this article to GA. It is currently well written, well referenced, reasonably comprehensive, contains no visible copyvio, and I am happy to promote to ga 589:, here’s a suggestion - you can stop trying to use “fake bad English”, like omitting action verbs or using wrong tense, since you were already quite articulate on your user page in discussing your username in pristine English 401:
Where you say " She has been described by Marianna Nikolaidou and Dimitra Kokkinidouas" add who they are? (Historians, authors, something else? Why do we care what they say, what makes it worth quoting")
255:"she described this cataloguing work, which she had also performed at Epidaurus and Eretria, as 'invisible service'." maybe rephrase? This sentences loses focus a little bit, maybe trim down/break up 280:"Unable to carry out her research" research on what? After retirement? - she retired from her museum position but was still (trying to) work on archaeological material, cf. invited scholarships. 611:
I have edited to clarify that the packing up of the exhibits happened when the Italian army invaded in 1940, while the Karouzous' resignation occurred on the German invasion/occupation in '41.
336:, Do you have an update on when you think you will be able to get to these comments? I'm willing to be flexible with timing, but I need to know you're planning to come back an address them. 452:! I've addressed those comments too (I hope), except for the CS1 maints which for some reason I can't see in any viewing mode. If you don't mind fixing them that would be really helpful! 271:"responsible for reinstalling the museum collections" responsible by themselves or just involved? - responsible as in 'in charge of', presumably other employees would have assisted. 628:, Thank you, and I think It's just one more: could you mention her being described as "perhaps the most important woman in Greek archaeology" in the body of the article as well? 359:, I'm certainly planning to address them, just have not yet had a chance to do so. Will do it later this week if I can, definitely this month if not. Thanks for your patience! 234:"rather than directing high-profile excavations, they nonetheless carried out highly significant work on museum collections" how is the latter part relevant to the article? 80: 70: 685:"Semne" would be an alternative (more old-fashioned/less common) transliteration of the Greek Σέμνη. I can add a redirect page if you think that would be useful. 47: 300:
I've made some light c/edits, feel free to disagree with me on any/all of my edits or comments. Overall, very nice work, but needs to be polished somewhat.
208:"described as "perhaps the most important woman in Greek archaeology." described by who? - by the authors cited, added their names to make this clearer. 189:
I'm concerned that source #5 is not reliable, as it's a post on Tumblr. -- replaced with reference to original version of article on Trowelblazers site.
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CS1 maints on the sources should be cleaned up - I'm not totally clear what this is referring to as I can't see any error messages on the citations?
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were the artefacts previously not known to exist? - they would presumably have been known when excavated but not properly recorded in the museum.
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do this all by herself, or did she direct it? - sources don't mention if she had others helping her but she was certainly primarily responsible.
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The sentences can read as very convoluted, with perhaps an abundance of semicolons. I'd recommend breaking some of that into multiple sentences.
571:. The source is wrong writing 1940, as the brave Greek army pushed the Italians back. Athens was occupied in 1941 after the Germans invaded.-- 289:"in which she carried out a great deal of collaborative work with international colleagues" could you be any more specific than "a great deal" 296:
much like an essay to me... Maybe support statements about her impact with more quotes from people who are qualified to make such statements
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Do you see where it says "CS1 maint: date format" after the citations in green? That's a CS1 maint. I can fix them if you don't see them.
107: 75: 99: 211:"known as Semni, " by who? Everybody, as far as I know; she published under that name. I've changed it to "who went by Semni". 709: 674: 635: 576: 533: 477: 432: 343: 307: 172: 156: 237:"Karouzou's work included reorganising the collections - identifying artefacts which had not been properly catalogued" did 663:, This article is well referenced, comprehensive, and I just have one lingering question: Worldcat has her indexed as 228:'Ephor of Antiquities' what does this mean? can you link the position? - it doesn't have a page but I've explained it. 572: 568: 259: 407:"They were later responsible for reinstalling the museum collections" presumably after the end of WWII? 595: 115: 17: 470:, I think It looks much better now! Just give me until the end of the day to do some final checks 218: 150: 222: 729: 690: 651: 616: 555: 511: 457: 383: 364: 323: 92: 721: 703: 668: 629: 564: 527: 471: 449: 426: 417: 375: 356: 337: 301: 166: 146: 586: 199: 274:"obliged to retire from the Archaeological Service" was it a mandatory retirement? 664: 283:"International outcry" by who? this strikes me as an overly vague generalization 725: 699: 686: 660: 647: 625: 612: 551: 507: 488: 467: 453: 392: 379: 360: 333: 319: 590: 410:"was obliged to retire" if it was mandatory, perhaps "forced" would fit better? 214:
Do we have her parents names? - not in the sources I currently have access to.
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It'd be great if you could add identifiers to all sources- if not that's fine
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Lede could benefit from some expansion on her life (a couple of sentences)
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if the birth date is reported differently by other reliable sources, use
494:"When Athens was occupied by the German army in 1941, " source says 1940 318:
Thank you for all these comments, I will address them as soon as I can!
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can you convert the external links in the note to citations?
395:, Looks much better, thanks. Just a few more comments here" 221:, you can't describe someone as distinguished and remain 134: 103: 286:"spend time visiting other exiled Greeks " where? 720:thank you for all your very thorough comments 268:"with pride that" again this is editorializing 165:I'll take this on throughout the coming week. 8: 30: 585:Hey sock puppet of indefinitely banned 61: 33: 217:"the distinguished archaeologist" see 7: 724:! I'll put the redirect in shortly 667:. Was she also known by this name? 24: 506:done where possible (mostly not) 646:good point, added it to the end 1: 262:, add who invaded the region? 413:Phrases in Greek should use 225:. I'd recommend removing... 762: 681:17:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC) 656:10:27, 29 April 2020 (UTC) 642:23:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC) 621:14:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC) 605:07:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC) 581:02:01, 25 April 2020 (UTC) 560:15:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC) 540:23:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC) 516:15:09, 25 April 2020 (UTC) 491:, some sourcing comments: 484:13:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC) 462:13:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC) 439:14:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC) 388:13:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC) 369:14:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC) 350:17:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC) 260:invasion of Greece in 1940 569:Axis occupation of Greece 328:09:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC) 314:01:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC) 179:18:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC) 161:18:13, 3 April 2020 (UTC) 734:15:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC) 716:20:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC) 695:13:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC) 573:Pestilence Unchained 18:Talk:Semni Karouzou 219:MOS:EDITORIALIZING 714: 679: 640: 603: 538: 482: 437: 348: 312: 177: 89: 88: 753: 706: 671: 632: 602: 600: 598:Volunteer Marek 593: 530: 474: 429: 422: 416: 340: 304: 204: 198: 169: 139: 130: 111: 43:Copyvio detector 31: 761: 760: 756: 755: 754: 752: 751: 750: 712: 677: 638: 596: 594: 536: 480: 435: 420: 414: 346: 310: 202: 196: 186: 175: 120: 97: 91: 85: 57: 29: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 759: 757: 749: 748: 747: 746: 745: 744: 743: 742: 741: 740: 739: 738: 737: 736: 718: 708: 683: 673: 665:Semne Karouzou 644: 634: 609: 608: 607: 562: 543: 542: 532: 523: 522: 521: 520: 519: 518: 499: 498: 495: 486: 476: 446: 445: 444: 443: 442: 441: 431: 423: 411: 408: 405: 402: 399: 372: 371: 353: 352: 342: 306: 298: 297: 293: 290: 287: 284: 281: 278: 275: 272: 269: 266: 263: 256: 252: 251: 250: 249: 243: 242: 235: 232: 229: 226: 215: 212: 209: 206: 193: 190: 185: 182: 171: 140: 87: 86: 84: 83: 78: 73: 67: 64: 63: 59: 58: 56: 55: 53:External links 50: 45: 39: 36: 35: 28: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 758: 735: 731: 727: 723: 719: 717: 713: 711: 705: 701: 698: 697: 696: 692: 688: 684: 682: 678: 676: 670: 666: 662: 659: 658: 657: 653: 649: 645: 643: 639: 637: 631: 627: 624: 623: 622: 618: 614: 610: 606: 601: 599: 591: 588: 584: 583: 582: 578: 574: 570: 566: 563: 561: 557: 553: 549: 548: 547: 546: 545: 544: 541: 537: 535: 529: 525: 524: 517: 513: 509: 505: 504: 503: 502: 501: 500: 496: 493: 492: 490: 487: 485: 481: 479: 473: 469: 466: 465: 464: 463: 459: 455: 451: 440: 436: 434: 428: 424: 419: 412: 409: 406: 403: 400: 397: 396: 394: 391: 390: 389: 385: 381: 377: 374: 373: 370: 366: 362: 358: 355: 354: 351: 347: 345: 339: 335: 332: 331: 330: 329: 325: 321: 316: 315: 311: 309: 303: 294: 291: 288: 285: 282: 279: 276: 273: 270: 267: 264: 261: 257: 254: 253: 247: 246: 245: 244: 240: 236: 233: 230: 227: 224: 220: 216: 213: 210: 207: 205:to mention it 201: 194: 191: 188: 187: 183: 181: 180: 176: 174: 168: 163: 162: 158: 155: 152: 148: 145: 141: 138: 137: 133: 128: 124: 119: 118: 114: 109: 105: 101: 96: 95: 82: 79: 77: 74: 72: 69: 68: 66: 65: 60: 54: 51: 49: 46: 44: 41: 40: 38: 37: 32: 26: 19: 707: 672: 633: 597: 587:User:Icewhiz 531: 475: 447: 430: 341: 317: 305: 299: 238: 170: 164: 153: 143: 142: 135: 131: 117:Article talk 116: 112: 93: 90: 81:Instructions 104:visual edit 448:Thank you 48:Authorship 34:GA toolbox 144:Reviewer: 71:Templates 62:Reviewing 27:GA Review 722:Eddie891 704:Eddie891 669:Eddie891 630:Eddie891 565:Eddie891 528:Eddie891 472:Eddie891 450:Eddie891 427:Eddie891 376:Eddie891 357:Eddie891 338:Eddie891 302:Eddie891 258:"On the 184:comments 167:Eddie891 157:contribs 147:Eddie891 76:Criteria 223:neutral 127:history 108:history 94:Article 726:Eritha 700:Eritha 687:Eritha 661:Eritha 648:Eritha 626:Eritha 613:Eritha 567:, see 552:Eritha 508:Eritha 489:Eritha 468:Eritha 454:Eritha 393:Eritha 380:Eritha 361:Eritha 334:Eritha 320:Eritha 550:done 136:Watch 16:< 730:talk 710:Work 691:talk 675:Work 652:talk 636:Work 617:talk 577:talk 556:talk 534:Work 512:talk 478:Work 458:talk 433:Work 418:lang 384:talk 365:talk 344:Work 324:talk 308:Work 173:Work 151:talk 123:edit 100:edit 239:she 200:Efn 732:) 693:) 654:) 619:) 579:) 558:) 514:) 460:) 421:}} 415:{{ 386:) 367:) 326:) 203:}} 197:{{ 159:) 125:| 106:| 102:| 728:( 689:( 650:( 615:( 592:. 575:( 554:( 510:( 456:( 382:( 363:( 322:( 154:· 149:( 132:· 129:) 121:( 113:· 110:) 98:(

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