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charges made by individuals such as yourself in the abovecited. In answer, I do not have a religion and I do not have a position. You are just wrong and your attribution unfounded. Don't project your seduction by opinions and false charges of original research onto me. Where is your evidence? The grand synthesis I made reference to is about an encycopedic, historical, developmental and inclusive exploration of the technical term "sentient beings", you wantonly misunderstood. What is now evident on the page due to the "consensus" is a generic
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think that the current state of this article is beyond hope or salvage, but neither do I think it's clearly headed toward any "grand synthesis" that will be accessible or relevant to the general reader. An article is not the proper place for "scholarly pastiche", wherever you think it's going. That
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I only meant that there seemed to be a consensus (not the one I was looking for either) that the article be kept but that it needed fundamental changes in order to become a proper article. However, since the discussion was only open for a day before I withdrew the nomination, perhaps it was not
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