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Controversiesā and so is redundant to mention yet again. b) concern(s) have been voiced by commentators and other tennis stars that reactions to the incident are holding Serena to an unequal standard when compared to male and other female players. c) a single incident doesnāt define the legacy and the sources linked (which arenāt always the most reliable) largely discuss the incident itself and not a broader impact on her legacy. d) there are many more examples/sources that illustrate the tennis word consensus on her being a role model.
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Olympics is not even mentioned on his page. A quick glance at Steffi Graf's page, there's no mention of the illegal coaching controversies, quick glance at Navratilova, no mention of her racket smashing/temper losing 1994 French open. For the sake of balance and fairness, shouldn't equal focus be put on their controversies too? Maybe they too should have a controversy section on their main pages?
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everyone. Nobody is a perfect role model and opinions of writers who don't like Serena should not be included as fact. I can quote some articles that don't consider
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her being a role model and the balancing statement. And what are you talking about with a single incident? Her time on court has had many incidents that have added tarnish to a stellar career. Her tennis prowess has been amazing but so was Ty Cobb's baseball prowess. We have to be careful and not sound like a travel brochure.
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Williams as a role model and an ambassador of tennis." There are many many tennis fans who do not agree with that statement so it is really not true unless we give the balancing statement. And giving balance is not something that is singular to Serena Williams legacy.
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Interesting... I would have said that Serena has more controversies than any modern player. But a lot of it is article length and balance. If all of her prose is cut in half then her controversy section would also be cut in half. Djokovic has also got a tag for super length. Things that have happened
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There's also a section that says Serena is "considered" as one of the greatest tennis players. Considered - seriously? What an insulting language to her achievements. It's as if her achievements are an after thought, like only one person in the world thinks she's great. Yet Steffi Graf is written as
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Djokovic's controversies are just more scattered, but other players also have controversies. Margaret Court, Bill Tilden, Pancho
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there is resistance to including anything negative. Additionally, male tennis players Legacy sections like John McEnroe donāt include negatives (Jonny Mc being know as very combative etc on court). Holding Serenaās Legacy page to a different standard is wrong and fixing it should be a no brainer.
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Whether she is a role model has not been discussed extensively in other sections. Plus this is a new section talking about her legacy in the sport where she has admirers and detractors. This is longstanding and seems like a no-brainer to me to keep it intact for balance. We could simply get rid of
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The thing is Everyone complained about Seles grunting. Papers talked about it all the time. And if you include breaking her racket, there are probably a lot more for Serena that were not included. Do as you will but don't use the reason that because Serena is controversial and has a section, that
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I don't see those Navratilova situations as the same. Obviously you do. Some get included because the others were so bad. The Navratilova ones could simply be included with the match itself. And as I said, when your article is 5x bigger than everyone elses, match controversies are also 5x bigger.
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1)Vastly condense the match controversies section. It's too long, too detailed. Even players like Djokovic who has arguably more controversies than any other modern day player, doesn't have the same level of detail in his article. Condense it down to a paragraph, 2 at most.
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Tennis: Navratilova is beaten by qualifier: Former Wimbledon champion berates umpire at DFS Classic before losing in three sets to Australian ranked No 179 in the world | The Independent | The Independent
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WIMBLEDONĀ : Seles Quiets NavratilovaĀ : Women: Complaints about her grunting don't stop her from reaching final against Graf, who easily beats Sabatini. - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
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