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739:. There is a strong minority vegetarian tradition in Judaism, so it's preposterous say that there's an ever obligation to include meat. Also, the Yom Tov article makes no mention of any such obligation. However, among non-vegetarians, it is common to include meat in the first two Shabbat meals. Therefore, I removed the strange statement, but inserted "which are usually meat meals" at the end of the following sentence. NYC JD reverted my change. I await a discussion on this point, without which I will restore my change based on the explanation I provide here. 31: 777:"Many Sephardic Jews, however, have the opposite custom of eating lamb or goat meat during the Seder in memory of the Korban Pesach." But that is not my point. My point is that the one time and place where one might think there would an obligation to include meat — The Korban Pesach on the Seder plate — there is no requirement and vegetarians use a roasted beet instead. In short, there is no obligation to include meat with any meal. 1367:
Because the concept of Shabbat is based on ceasing from creation of the world ("for in six days HaShem created the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he ceased and rested") the kinds of activities one can't do on shabbat are theologically and homoletically related to creation. Moreover, the quintessential figure of Mishkan construction was
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chapter 25 is more than one day in duration. A Sabbath is not limited to a single day. In fact it can be over 300 days long (Leviticus 25:4). This is the only annual Sabbath that is 24 hours in length. God calls the evening before the Day of Atonement the ninth and not the tenth day as it would be called if a new day began at sunset. 34.
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lighting up and thus violating the rule about using electrical equipment. Though I'm not sure how they accounted for the fact that the fridge itself, light or not, is electric. I would add this to the article but I cant actually give any source other than my own, just thought I'd mention it though. :-)
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of shabbat as creative acts helps articulate their relationship both with the creation of the world and with the building of the Temple and thus helps clarify their religious significance. It seems to me that you are attempting to fit a homiletic (creative) interpretation into a box that's too linear
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article could be developed to discuss the biblical origin of the holiday, and a brief overview of how it is interpreted in Judaism, Christianity, Islam and perhaps in other cultures. Then there would be a link to this particular entry (Shabbat) for details on the Jewish understanding of the day. When
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The entry about intimacy on shabbos is probably in error. The mitzvah of propagation is mostly fulfilled by getting married (one of several reasons for doing so), while this mitzvah is usualy refered to as "mitzvas onah", especialy as if it were doubled with mitzvas peru urvu, then one would not get
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I have tried to tighten up some of the wording. I hope this goes some way to meeting your objections. I feel that a word such as "creative" is important, because without that word there is no significance or purpose to the Shabbat restrictions, whether a person accepts the result or not. Otherwise,
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The Day of Rest is a Judeo-Christian concept in remembrance of God resting after creating the heavens and earth. This idea is not accepted in Islam as the implied need for God to rest, is contradictory to the concept of an All-Powerful being. In reference to the creation of the heavens and earth,
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As you note, the idea is a "commonly heard nugget", which means it's a point of view that has to be included if reliably sourced and can't be batted down because an editor on his or her own say-so thinks others wrong. It's got a perfectly good pedigree as a theological and homoletic interpration -
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need referencing is some material that I wrote many moons ago. These are rather sweeping generalisations with regards to Melacha, Toldah, Shevut etc. I suspect the best source for this would be the Sefer ha-Chinnuch or Hirsch' Horeb, but I am open to suggestions before I add those as sources. Both
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azaq, which is the Hebrew equivalent of a shadda. It takes the form of a dot in the center of a letter, but is not usually written except in religious texts and books for beginners, including children's literature. Also, note that alef is not a vowel in Hebrew, but a glottal stop equivalent to the
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works. Due to my lack of knowledge on the Shabbat, the workings of a Shabbat Elevator or anything at all to do with Judaism for that matter, I changed the link to reflect what was described in the page not what may be the actual case. I also in a short glimpsing of pages about Shabbat Elevators
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Speaking as a Mizrahi Jew with Teimani pronunciation, I can tell you that the alef is not pronounced as a gottal stop: ayin is. But all that is irrelevant, common practice it to spell it Shabbat or Shabbos, and as Knowledge seems to adopt Modern Israeli Hebrew over Ashkenazi Hebrew (which I find
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more details are written on the Christian or Islamic view of this day, these could be developed into their own separate entries as well. As things currently stand, the two articles are short enough to combine. I am just envisioning that as they grow longer, the separation will become more useful.
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Someone added a lengthy halachik discussion that looks like it belongs in an artscroll halacha book, its way too into minutiae to keep on wikipedia for people who dont even know what shabos is, so im deleting it. Knowledge itself says its not written in proper enclyclipedia format.someone please
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The above statement about the Roman Catholic Church moving the Sabbath is false. The Gospel of John indicates very clearly that day 8 of the week is the apocalyptic day since that was when Christ rose. The disciples worshiped on the day after the Sabbath because of that, which they called "The
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I once lived in Israel for a year between 1996-1997 and I noticed that the refrigerator in our apartment had a special latch attached to the button controlling the refrigerator-light. During the Shabbat, or so I was told by our landlord, the latch was put in place thus hindering the fridge from
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Jewish believers may not be happy about it, but there are "Hebrew Christians" who seek to retain the Jewish observances of their ancestors, including Shabbat, while acknowledging Jesus as Messiah. This might make inaccurate the statement that Shabbat is not observed in the Jewish way within the
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The mention of Christians changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday is not entirely true. Roman Catholics changed it (the New Testament gives no instruction to change the 4th Commandment [of which is an eternal covenant) during the 3rd-4th centuries. Although the Roman Catholics became the
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The Sabbath mentioned in Leviticus 23:32 is not the seventh day Sabbath, but an annual twenty-four hour Sabbath that takes in parts of two days. It begins on the evening of the ninth day and ends the following evening on the tenth day (Atonement). This Sabbath like the land Sabbath of Leviticus
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Yes, practicing Jews observe many things that seem ridiculous (by the way, I never heard you weren't allowed to make a thread from 2 loops - where did you get that information?)- and certainly many go overboard in their meticulousness, but some Christian and Muslim beliefs and/or practices are
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Do practicing jews actually observe some of things that seem ridiculous like not being allowed to turn on a light switch or make a thread with 2 or more loops? Is it really possible in practice to obey ALL of these things? I mean, some of these things are a necessity and if you don't do them
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Ewawer, your new version had exactly the same problems, and I want to you to try a bit harder at getting this right. You want to say that there is a unifying idea behind all melachos, and you say that this is "creative activity" before going on to define "creative" as "changing the state of
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Since there can be lengthy debates over man's relationship with Shabbat and over examples of Shabbat prohibitions, such as picking up corn to eat on Shabbat, I see no reason why the two articles should be combined. If anything else, the current "Sabbath" article should be combined with the
175:: "But lest we should be obsessed with the Jewish idea that Allah rested on the seventh day, we are told that the Creation was but a prelude to Allah's work: For His authority is exercised constantly by the laws which He established and enforces in all parts of His creation." 772:
1. The commandment וְשָׂמַחְתָּ translates "rejoice, be happy" not "serve meat"! It would make a vegetarian unhappy to eat meat, which would violate the commandment! 2. My modification of the sentence following the one I removed handles the general practice. 3. According to
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The following statement is not factual and tries to imply a Judaic centrality in Islam: "Subsequently, with the advent of Islam Friday...that may be derived from the practice of having market days on Friday in the Middle East in preparation for a 'Sabbath'"
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Hi, I added some stuff about the positive commandments and inyanim of Shabbat but my Knowledge format knowledge isn't so great, so someone may want to clean it up. I'll probably learn more about formatting Knowledge and then make more changes. -Avraham
1410:) and wish to add that the element of creativity is the main point of the prohibition. It is not the work element. And without that element the activity would not be prohibited. As I have said, this element may not be obvious, but it is critical. 1465:
you will need to explain what is the meaning of "work", as it applies to Shabbat, without using the rabbi's list, which is based on the analogy of creation. The only issue is how to explain the outlook in a non-religious, non-doctrinaire manner.
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Shirachadasha - I think most of your points are valid but there are some very basic contradictions in saying that all melachos are creative or change the state of anything. We are dealing with a legalistic and not a homiletic issue here. The
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My problem is: (1) We can't use a word first and then start redefining it to suit our needs; (2) there is still no source. If you can't define the term properly, how critical is it exactly? I think we need to agree on a better translation of
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a double mitzvah after one had two children (sic) unless one had a triple mitzvah beforehand. That said, I'm too impatient to look up the reference. (note: mitzvas onah is commonly refered to by the euphamism of "making one's wife happy".)
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Surely 'Permitted Activities' and 'Activities that are Encouraged' are different things? I'm not an authority on such things, but I would have thought that the title for this part would be better as 'Encouraged Activities' or some such.
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is needed. Contrary to yourself and Shirachadasha, I see absolutely no point in making generalisations that are so easily contradicted by the subject matter itself. As you might have grasped from my earlier comments, I have learnt
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Could you get into the habit of providing sources for your contributions? At the moment, I think our discussion is greatly marred by a lack of direct sources. Citing other Knowledge articles in your support is generally not OK.
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The first thing to do is register a user name for yourself! I'll try to fix up the section you added. The part about biblical/rabbinic is, in my opinion, not relevant to this article. But nice addition nonetheless. Shalom,
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This is going to be my last attempt to explain. Whether or not you can see the creativity in an activity is of minor significance. It is of more importance that others see it and live by it (and that is the point). As for
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Ask most English speaking Ashkenazic Yidden(A large percentage of English Speaking Yidden) It is Shabbos, not Shabbat. Even my sefardic Rebbeim and teachers say Shabbos. SO, it would make sense to be shabbos not shabbat.
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summarizes each week's Parsha and adds some interesting graphics which surely adds life and color to a page that may gain the attention of readers who don't know much about this subject and may want to learn more.
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I would like to add a list of things which over-ride shabbos observance. Not all of them come to mind at present but I will start a list here and add to it with the intention of adding it to the article later.
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Angr is correct. Most people are just worried about the light bulb that comes on when you open the door. It seems, however, that opening the door triggers other circuits. Hence, this latch locks out the entire
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The digression on Jewish vs. secular fiction is not directly related to the topic of Shabbat, and would be better suited to a general discussion of halakhah. (Remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a kiruv
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Perhaps a note that wouldn't group all Christians as keeping Sunday, or a reference that states that the Catholic Church changed the day, but there are still Christians observing the original Jewish Sabbath.
1609:"have been interpreted as" creative acts rather than saying they "are" creative acts. I think this makes all the difference. This particular interpretation is simply one point of view among others. Best, -- 1495:
I really think you should show your next attempt at rephrasing here on the talkpage, but feel fry to have another stab at it. I will continue to oppose edits that don't address my concerns above, though.
1342:) have been adding that all melachos are "creative activity". This is a commonly heard nugget in yeshiva and in talks for communities, but how true is it? Many melachos have no creative element at all - 1067:
For many people, many religious practices are ridiculous. For the people who practice them, they are obviously not so or they wouldn't practice them. But this is not the place for such a discussion
1538:"Selecting" in the Talmudic sense usually refers exclusively to the separation of debris from grain - i.e. to any separation of intermixed materials which renders edible that which was inedible. 1053:
These things may be highly technical, but they're not ridiculous. They have a solid basis in the Bible. And yes, it's certainly possible to obey "all" these things. I did it just yesterday. --
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meat or fish are served. That should satisfy all opinions. I'm fully aware of the enormous repositories of spin at the disposal of pro-vegs, but one cannot escape the notion that Judaism has
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predominant Cristian church, it wasn't the only one. There have always been Christians (like the Waldensians) and beginning in the 1800's, the Seventh Day Adventists that keep the Sabbath.
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I think we need to explicate Reform positions on Shabbat observance, and also differentiating between Conservative and Orthodox halacha. I promise ot help work on it if others will. :)--
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deleted by anonouser. Because it's long and not directly relevant to this article, I'm leaving a pointer here, rather than reverting or creating an archive in the article's namespace.
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article's page, so essentially it's part of the "See also" section which is a legitimate way of connecting related and connected topics on an article. (3) If a reader finds the
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to be "too intrusive" then any reader is free to click "Hide" on the top right section of the template's heading which shrinks it to an unobtrusive one liner. Finally, (4) the
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It is my understanding that the work God did was not hard work. He simply said and the Universe obeyed. What is translated as rest is simply ceasation from creative work.
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into precise formulas one gets activities which in isolation don't seem to be very creative, taken as a whole the interpretation is not unreasonable. Understanding the
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I do not doubt that שב (or the infinitive לשבת, if I remember correctly) means "to sit". But I do not think that it is etymologically related to Shabat. Sources? --
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celebrations often involve the reading of the weekly Torah portion on Shabbat in synagogue by the Bar Mitzvah boy (or girl in non-Orthodox settings). (2) The template
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the Chinnuch (in Chavel's translation) and Horeb (Grunfeld) are available in English and therefore more suitable than a purely Hebrew source of similar import.
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The word is written in Hebrew with no long vowel (alef) and a single bet (with no shadda, or the equivalent in Hebrew), shouldn't that make the transliteration
1634:. Because this is somewhat in my field of interest, I was going to read that wiki page next but soon found that the description in this page was in fact how 731:
This article included a strange statement, "While general practice is that these meals include meat, there is not a strict obligation to do so as there is on
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Well, I've now rephrased the contended bit to sound less radical. IMHO it's not a compliment to say that Modern Orthodox authorities "disregard" elements of
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something". Yet if you look at the list of melachos there are several that are neither creative nor change any state whatsoever (and I remind you again of
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We should probably mention the several categories in which the 39 melochos are divided (e.g. sidura de-pas). Anyhave have a source for this subdivision?
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No! I thought midoreisah it was doche and that nowadays it was a gezeiras chachomim, but have clarified that min hatorah shokeling and blowing is mutar.
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I think the way out is to characterize the "creative" view as simply one interpretation among others, rather than absolute fact, i.e. saying that the
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again, even though most statements are sourced inline to Torah, Mishnah and Poskim sources. However, some of this may well be converted to cite.php.
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I was reading through as a general knowledge exercise and took note of the section titled "Technology in the service of Shabbat" the reference to a
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Mechanisms programmed before Shabbat (e.g. thermostats, hot water urns, hotplates on time switches) are permissible to use, unless other rules are
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through a search engine can not find an answer one way or the other. So, in either case, a citation would be useful to clear up the doubt. --
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I thought it was okay for electric things to run on their own (just as it's okay for candles to burn on their own), what's problematic is
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Lord's Day." This was all predicted in Leviticus with the wave offering. What documentation is there that says Rome changed the Sabbath?
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is separating chicken bones from your Friday night chicken; how creative is that? I believe "creative activity" is a mistranslation of "
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What things exactly would "go awry" by observing Shabbat? And have you read the sections devoted to exceptions in case of illness etc?
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I don't think that we need a disambiguation block, since the Christian and Pagan holidays are never called "Shabbat". Or am I wrong?
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It could be. I've been working on this page to specifically refer to the Jewish Sabbath concept. I was thinking that the more general
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The distinction is subtle, but many "encouraged" activities are more or less mandatory, while the permissible ones are exactly that.
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I would be very interested in knowing the source for the leniency that a person can eat a roasted beet in lieu of the Korban Pesah.
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I'm getting rather tired of the vegetarian activism here. I have now made the article as NPOV as possible, namely by stating that
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The paragraph "other sabbaths" is very poorly written. I don't know the subject well enough to rewrite it but someone should. --
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I hadn't "reverted" you per se - I just restored the status quo after an unexplained removal of a chunk. But I do oppose. -
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Taking an oath to repay money and inadvertantly the date turns out to be on shabbat, he can take money and repay his debt.
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The Hebrew word Shabbat comes from the Hebrew verb shavat, which literally means "to cease," or shev which means "sit."
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Christian religion (depending on whether you regard them as a Hebrew sect of Christians, or a Messianic sect of Jews).
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regarded meat as a celebratory dish, and the majority of Orthodox Jews certainly still see it this way. This page is
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is a special case with specific scriptural underpinnings, but there is something very counter-intuitive to calling
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The "sex on Shabbat" item was confusingly worded — was there really a need to say that a couple should have sex
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I didn't see any mention of motzei Shabbos, or Melavah Malkha. I guess there is a Havdalah article . . .
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gave guidance to the Modern Orthodox community on how to play with your pets in a manner that conforms to
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Uh, I am not exactly "on my own". I'm trying to hammer out a version that everyone can understand, and
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Meat and wine are required on Shalosh Regalim as part of the mitzvah of "ve'somachto be'chagecho",
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Little nuances like these are results of misinterpretations, or simple ignorance of the matter.
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surprising) on religious matters, Shabbat seems in my eyes to be correct. kol tuv, Avraham.
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I deleted that part of the sentence, seeing as I've never heard of such a thing either.--
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I switch all the remaining Shabbos to Shabbat to avoid confusion and for concisity.
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the right place to open a large debate on whether vegetarianism is a Jewish ideal.
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I haven't seen the movie, but is that what he actually says? If so, we should put
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to have meat for most meals. I don't understand why the two loaves were removed.
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Please refer all further comments and discussions to one centralized location at
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disambiguations, such as references to the notorious Black Sabbath music group.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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I agree that this topic should be discussed, but I don't know enough to help. -
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and am well aware of their halachic and hashkafic context. We both know that
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He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak.'
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I think this is not the place for subsets and Talmudic controversies. --
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early each Sunday so that any readers may learn more about the weekly
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violated (such as washing the entire body by taking a hot bath).
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revert me but discuss how we're going to resolve this
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Jews do not believe that God needs to sleep or rest
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Are you serious? -- 727:Never an obligation to include meat 653:, talking about the differences in 1039:something awry is bound to happen 24: 871:(objection, asked and answered!) 29: 1044:equally, if not more, loony. -- 881:Special Refrigerator light-lock 156:Adaptation of Islam for Sabbath 1034:Practice of permissible things 1: 539:FYI: (1) The central part of 504:21:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC) 448:10:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC) 407:10:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC) 293:Spending time with one's pets 224:02:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC) 1649:18:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC) 1507:. 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