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888:'bruising' is the term given to the change in flavor profile when the gin combines with CO2 in the air and slightly acidifies, causing a change in the flavor profile. Kina Lillet would kill the taste right off, so that's little worry. From the story, it seems like James bond intends to quaff this rather silly cocktail in one gulp and get a quick .1 or so BAC, enjoying the dry mouthfeel and the aroma and bite of the gin, and the bitterness on the back of the throat. It would probably make me throw up, but he puts pepper in his vodka too, so *shrug*. 878:
more diluted drink. However, if that's what you wanted, a professional barman such as you find in the swanky places Bond frequents should be happy to crush the ice before stirring it into the drink - thereby giving you the cooling and diluting effects without the 'bruising' from shaking it. Going for a diluted drink seems somehow very un-Bondlike - but it's evident that there are enough other reasons to prefer it shaken to account for this quirky preference.
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sneak through the strainer. Theoretically, you still get the same amount of alcohol in the drink, as all of the liquid from the mixing cup should get poured into the glass, but the volume of a shaken drink will be higher, therefore contain less alcohol per sip. Very smart for a spy, as he is sounding sophisticated ordering it, except to bartenders, and keeps himself from getting drunk as quickly.
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Most bartenders I have met (including myself) will tell you that you should stir a martini very gently to get it as cold as you can with as little water in the drink as possible. Stirring vigorously will add more water. Shaking will add even more, as more ice melts and any chips will either melt or
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I also don't know what a valuable metaphor is (and one surmises it would be invaluable at the same time). But any native speaker will be aware that both shaken and stirred can also apply to people, and especially people in Bond's (rather unpleasant) line of work, and of course this includes Fleming
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Bond laughed. 'When I'm...er...concentrating,' he explained, 'I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold, and very well-made. I hate small portions of anything, particularly when they taste bad. This drink's my own invention. I'm
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A veteran barman I used to know told me a similar story - he claimed that if you use cubed ice, stirring the drink cools it without diluting it with too much water. If you shake it, little bits of ice get chipped off - and being smaller, melt more quickly resulting in a colder - but significantly
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I removed text from the section "Why shaken, not stirred", as it is factually incorrect; the martini that Bond orders with "Do I look like I give a damn" comes after losing his initial buy-in. The poisoned drink is a Vesper, which comes a few scenes later. It is poisoned by Le Chiffre's blonde
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It seems clear that Ian Flemming introduced the now famous line as a valuable metaphor. Considering the nature of the tight spots Bond fell into, he was sure to be shaken but maintains an unstirred demeanor. Unnerving to any villain. Remembering this Bond trait has brought many mere mortals
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In the "Other Drinking Habits", it ought to be mentioned that Bond drinks Sake in You Only Live Twice, and commends his Japanese host for serving it at the proper (heated) temperature. My understanding, however, is that fine Sake is actually served cold.
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I think all of this material would be a distracting tangential topic in the martini article. Much of it is mentioned there, but it works as its own slightly over-done topic here, about Bond's martinis as a pop-culture phenomenon. What do you think?
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clouds of one liquid into the other when properly mixed can give an element of surprise. you'll never know what's next when having some properly shaken vodka martini. Would it be martini's dominant sweetness, or vodka would punch your tongue hard?
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This shouldn't be in the intro anyway. I moved it into "Preparation." This section should probably be renamed. Perhaps "History" or something like that since it is more or less an overview of Bond's history with shaking his martini.
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Later in the same novel, while driving to Saratoga with C.I.A. compatriot Felix Leiter, they stop at roadside greasy spoon called “Chicken in a Basket” where Leiter and Bond have Miller High Life with their
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is already more than double the recommended maximum length for an article. Since there's been no comment on the merge suggestions, I'm going to turn this into a brief article on the bond martini.
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I haven't read the book, but in the movie, wasn't there a scene where the bartender asked him "shaken or stirred" and Bond replied with something smart like "I don't care how it's done."???
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considered the 'martini quote' as a 'valuable metaphor'. Interesting. Certainly that is the way others seem to be using it. Perhaps because I read more Sci Fi the 'Bene Gesserit' (Dune) "
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This is a pop-culture article, so this subheading title doesn't really mean anything. Anyway, let's please not add another droll list of trivial mentions in genre television shows.
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computer game series, created by Sierra, orders a martini "Hacked and whipped, not shaken or stirred like those sissy drinks". at a bar on Polysorbate LX in Space Quest 6.
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Do we have any videos showing a martini being made both ways? If not, we should make one to illustrate this article, which currently doesn't have any illustrations.
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I kind of intended that to be more of it's cultural impact, not a list, which is what it's turning into. That section needs to be rewritten and probably retitled.
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shaking also breaks up the ice, and allows tiny bits through the strainer, diluting a martini with water. dunno if that's an addition that should be included...
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Thanks. I think I gathered 99.9% of it from a few other articles. Also linked to it from some likely places, and added the appropriate redirects. Cheers.
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It is true that vodka's and martini have different density, different specific weight and show some degree of immiscibility when mixed in a proper way.
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What exactly is the purpose of the 'In popular culture' section? Of course, the Mucha Lucha article for example, should link here, but why vice versa?
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If you can expand and improve it, that's great. I'm doubtful there's enough for a stand-alone article, but maybe it could be a good section in the
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I used a different source, a book that seems more reliable than the web page that had been cited, and adjusted the quote and links appropriately.
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and also states that "Roger Moore's Bond has barely ordered more than three, although he has received one in the 1977 film The Spy Who Loved Me."
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The exact words "shaken, not stirred" do not appear in the above snippet. It is, however, clear that Bond wanted the barman to shake the drink.
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You did expand the article more than I thought would be possible, and the material you added is good, so I will defer to your judgment.
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The article states "Ironically, while playing Bond, Moore never ordered one, although he received one in The Spy Who Loved Me"
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insists that the preparation makes for a weak libation, saying, "James is ordering a weak martini and being snooty about it."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/james-bond-ditches-vodka-martinis-for-heineken-7615415.html
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But perhaps before Lord Topper starts to talk, he might like a glass of wine. He's looking a little shaken.
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reported some fallacious information from a previous version of this article stating that Bond drank a
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I agree with this one. This is what I always interpreted it as, can anyone source it?
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Should the play on words be mentioned in the article? Afterall, the quote is #90 on
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Bond prefers the '69 vintage although that may just have been a quip (Moonraker).
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associate at the bar, after Felix stakes Bond with his $ 5 million rebuy.
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via Amazon. No Heineken. And I dug a little further. Apparently it's a
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That section on fusel oil makes no sense at all. It should be removed.
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I removed the following from the section "Why shaken, not stirred".
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through impossible situations with grace, including myself.
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