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1671:"During shmita, the land is left to lie fallow and all agricultural activity, including plowing, planting, pruning and harvesting, is forbidden by halakha (Jewish religious law). Other cultivation techniques (such as watering, fertilizing, weeding, spraying, trimming and mowing) may be performed as a preventative measure only, not to improve the growth of trees or plants. Additionally, any fruits which grow of their own accord are deemed hefker (ownerless) and may be picked by anyone. A variety of laws also apply to the sale, consumption and disposal of shmita produce. All debts, except those of foreigners, were to be remitted." 1682:"According to the laws of shmita, land owned by Jews in the Land of Israel is left unfarmed." The verb used is a simple present tense IS. Does this sentence mean ALL the land owned by ALL Jews? There are no secular Jews who ignore the 7th Year Sabbath? I mean there are Jews practicing Sodomy & parading about it in the street. There is prostitution in Israel. Is it correct that absolutely every Jew who is a farmer leaves his land unfarmed on the 7th year??? Is this a law of Israel? Or should the verb be changed to from IS to OUGHT TO BE or MUST BE if this law is to be followed? 2318:
expression Motza'ei Shabbat means the Sabbath is the source of the first day of the week that follows it. We must understand the "going-out" of a sabbatical year to mean the source from which the next year arises. Thus Motza'ei Shabbat, "the going-out of the seventh," means "a post-sabbatical year." The Heinrich Guggenheimer translation of the Seder 'Olam is wrong here, as is the Ben Zion Wacholder pattern of sabbatical years it supports. Yes, Benedict Zuckermann was correct, as was his sabbatical year pattern.
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in his dictionary? I think you will find that reliable commentaries on Leviticus 25:5-6 interpret that the passage allows owners to eat the spontaneous produce of the Sabbatical year. Thus I deleted the footnote part that followed Easton on an owner prohibition. Having looked at a number of commentaries and the text itself, I see a prohibition of a land owner from doing a formal harvest, not from simple small gathering of food to feed himself and his family. (
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itself during that year was not for the owner of the land, but for the poor and the stranger and the beasts of the field. All debts, except those of foreigners, were to be remitted (Deut. 15:1-11). There is little notice of the observance of this year in Biblical history. It appears to have been much neglected (2 Chr. 36:20, 21). From Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897)
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is the same reason as the one the Talmud gives for why Hillel introduced it. If Easton's information is simply a rehashing of Talmudic sources and it is not providing an independent modern critical perspective, I'd suggest either removing the material or noting that Easton's agrees with the traditional Jewish perspective on this issue. --
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This article incorporates text from Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897), a publication now in the public domain. Sabbatical year - every seventh year, during which the land, according to the law of Moses, had to remain uncultivated (Lev. 25:2-7; comp. Ex. 23:10, 11, 12; Lev. 26:34, 35). Whatever grew of
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It might be worthwhile to discuss a potential origin of this practice, namely that of allowing land to recover so that it might be used indefinitely. I know little about farming, but I understand that if land is used to cultivate the same type of produce year after year than it becomes deficient in a
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I'm wondering if this language is presenting an independent theory about pre-Rabbinic Biblical society, or is simply retelling the previous discussion about the introduction of Prosbul. The reason I'm suspicious that the latter may be the case is that the presumed reason Easton's gives for the change
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and make the changes. No content has been lost, it's just been reorganized. The intro and other relevant sections are now in the present rather than the past tense, and are geared to the contrmporary rather than the Biblical practice. A small amount of additional content has been added explaining the
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The first footnote refers to Easton's Dictionary, to its article on Sabbatical Year, though the citation did not mention what dictionary article it was following. Easton is way out of date now as a Bible Dictionary. I don't know who wrote the Easton article or if old Easton wrote all the articles
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a century ago represents a classic and very notable example of how Jewish law develops in ways that both remain faithful to and nonetheless alleviate the dificulties of a problematic Biblical injuction. The underlying thought process may be relevant to various contemporary Jewish-law discussions as
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Isn't it said that in the 6th year before the Sabbatical year there will be THREE times the produce grown, which will be more than enough grain for the Sabbatical year? I have also heard that there is backed up by empirical evidence today. I've done some brief searches with no results. If anyone
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is an integral part of Jewish vocabulary. Motza'ei Shabbat always refers unambiguously to the part of Saturday evening after the close of Shabbat. There are specific prayers for this period and these prayers have been continuously recited in Jewish households since time immemorial. To interpret
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I agree. It is too long on pure Halakha, too short when it comes to its practical application in Israel, like, how the permit thing is mentioned on packaging, how many Haredim "boycott" the permit etc. The Hebrew article is better written, and I've added an {{Expand Hebrew}} template not really
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As the above discussion notes, this article concerns a contemporary Jewish practice which has evolved substantially since Biblical days. Why not, as with other contemporary Jewish practices, focus on the contemporary practice and then explain its biblical roots and the history of how it changed
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Re. "cancellation of debts is a practice incompatible with modern finance": Of course it is. There's no evidence for the idea that it was compatible with any finance system ever, and one could argue that this very incompatibility might appear to be the reason for shmita's existence. None of the
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I tagged the current article for consensus because of the argument going on about the when the last Shmita occurred in the biblical references section. The controversy could be discussed in a neutral fashion. At the moment it appears as though two editors having an argument on the wiki page.
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The above observations about Motza'ei Shmita are correct. Apart from modern idiomatic Hebrew, the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (#893) notes that motza'ei refers to the "act or place of going out; hence, issue, source, such as a spring of water or mine (for silver)." Therefore the
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According to the 1897 Easton's Bible Dictionary, debts were to be suspended for the year rather than remitted entirely. This practice was, presumably, instituted to prevent the resources of the debtor, already stretched thin due to the land lying fallow, being exhausted by the discharging of
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This section reads like an advert for the opinion of an American Evangelical, Rodger C. Young, with no idiomatic knowledge of Hebrew and no relevant higher scholarly degree. It specifically cites an article that Young wrote fourteen years ago. The whole argument revolves about the correct
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variety of nutrients. Allowing the land to farrow would give microorganisms in the topsoil a chance to regenerate these nutrients. It seems reasonable to me that persons writing this law may have been aware of the usefulness of allowing land to run to seed every once in a while.
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The Sabbatical year is still enforced in Israel and the seven year cycle has not been lost. The time of the occurence of the Jubilee Year though, has been 'lost'. Observance of the Sabbatical year is of high accord and one who doesn't, may not allowed to be a witness in a Jewish
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Motza'ei Shabbat as the later part of Shabbat is inconceivable, and it is equally inconceivable to interpret Motza'ei Shmita as the later part of a Sabbatical year. The way Benedict Zuckermann interpreted this phrase is correct and this section is just plain wrong.
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That is an interesting claim to be investigated. Are there not statements in the Torah regarding gentiles who move into Israel that there is one law for them and for the descendants of Jacob? Does this statement refer to gentiles living in foreign countries?
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with Sabbatical Year redirecting to it, and restructuring the article to describe the contemporary Jewish practice, giving the biblical roots of the practice and explaining how it was affected by subsequent rabbinic rulings and historical events. Best,
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is too large to survive without continuous land cultivation (don't know how much food they import, but still). It's possible that a heavily modified version of the custom is practiced, though. Could someone give evidence/citations?
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Orthodox Judaism tackles contemporary social issues. This is important to have on Knowledge (XXG) which is, after all, for a contemporary rather than a Biblical audience. I believe the article approach is a change for the better. --
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I hope the New York Times articles on the religious/political controversies in Israel the current (2007-8) shmita is generating should remove all doubt that Shmita really exists as a current and notable phenomenon. Best,
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Never heard this theory. I'm sure there are folks in the ages who may have come up with various theories I've never heard of. But it's not in any way a basic Jewish belief. I added unsourced tags to the section in the
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because I think the article should be longer, but because I think it should be more similar to the Hebrew one, and have sub-articles like it. (In terms of content depth, the Hebrew one is more expansive of course.)
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that mentions as an afterthought that Jews still follow them. This article is as misleading as such an article would be. It fails to take into account that many of the rules Modern Jews follow are based on
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The reason for this is that Knowledge (XXG) generally cannot accept an editor's personal interpretation of the Bible. Statements about history based on inferences from Biblical passages need to be be
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You have never heard of the septimillennial theory, one version of it would be thatonthe POV that the earth was created c. 4000 BC, we are now c 2000 AD, thus about to enter the millennium??? (
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translation of Motza'ei Shmita. He argues that this is correctly understood as the latter part of the Sabbatical year. The problem with this is that Motza'ei in the related phrase
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Because a thief could be sentenced to a six-year bond at any time, not just at the beginning of the shmita cycle. Therefore his sentence would not expire in the shmita year. --
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still believe in this promise and tell anecdotal stories of its fulfillment in modern times, they also caution against demanding or relying on miracles. Best, --
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What Biblical practice is being referred to here? The bonded servitude is limited by 6 years from the sentence, but is not related to the the Shmita year. --
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Looked up the Sabbatical Year entry in Easton's and the entry does not contain most of the information in this section. This section is therefore
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original sources (to my very limited knowledge) say anything about any exceptions to the cancellation of debts, whether for business or otherwise.
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I find this difficult to believe, because cancellation of debts is a practice incompatible with modern finance, and the population of the present
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The Biblical practice of bonded servitude until the Shmita year e.g. as punishment for crime is not currently practiced in contemporary Judaism.
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Zack: You are correct, there are "ways around it" and I have made the corrections within the article that this is a matter relating to
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Hi! I've provided a source and a section on the current status of the Biblical promise of bounty. The source notes that while many
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Yet, although there is mention in the bible that the temple was destroyed it does say afterwards the land layed in remission for
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How common is it to find "an independent modern critical perspective," as opposed to a modern politically-correct perspective? (
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The intro paragraph launches out & maintains the present tense. But suddenly the last sentence changes to past tense:
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The article says "IS . . . IS . . . MAY BE . . . MAY BE . . . APPLY . . . WERE TO BE." Should this read "ARE TO BE"?
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No. The statement you allude to refers to converts, not to foreigners who settle in Israel but remain gentile. --
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I'm wondering why this observance is written up in this article, and not in an article of its own, since it occurs
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What leads you to suppose that there will be consensus on Bible interpretation. Better to just list the POV's. (
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This article is far, far too long for the subject matter. It is distractingly repetitive and over inclusive.
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I did a key word search on the Protestant New Testament and could find no mention of the sabbatical year.--
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This is one of the reasons for shmitta, and should be part of the article.--
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Is there any mention of the Sabbatical Year in Christian Scripture (
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