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why we would want to list it that way for every character that just happens to be highly intelligent; show me a skill, not a trait. Also, we have no source for this information. If it was from some chart or graph then those are basically useless, and something like Marvel.com (aka the Marvel Wiki) then that is not a valid source either. Show me something from the comics, where it is explicitly stated that he is a genius. In fact, if it says something like "scientific genius" or "genius inventor" describing him in a comic, then I would rather see that in an infobox because it really tells me something about him.
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It's pretty obvious what makes good fanfiction and what doesn't when you use a little common sense; good characterization, spelling, grammar, punctuation, plot. Same as with a published work. TSL isn't perfect, and I even said that flat out on its page, but no one would look at it objectively and not
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