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Revising my opposition above (to a comment), I would support moving to Luo han guo, but from what I can see "monk fruit" is a very recent marketing effort that is likely to be eclipsed by the next super-fruit or alternative sweetener that comes along as a high-priced novelty, at which time the older
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I added the sources and removed the tags. I also took out the mention that it was waterproof since that seems to be an indexing error (if you look at Chinese general mercantile pages it comes in waterproof bags.) Anyway if it is water soluble it isn't waterproof. And btw, most of the references
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I can't reproduce your results. If the quotation marks were somehow being lost or ignored, that for me gives 8M hits. Are you signed in to Google (I'm not, but wonder if that could make a difference). I don't see any options under google search options that could have such an effect.
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I figured you didn't know "suckers" because you were from Beijing. But I guess that's just your Knowledge name, because your level of Chinese would be higher than "2" if you were really from there.  :) In botany, anyway, "sucker" usually means some kind of offshoot of a plant.
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It's my understanding that Firefox, and other open source, bare-bones type browsers are better than what I'm using (Chrome) for a "purer" search. But I'm not sure why (if I'm understanding you properly) all three are giving you identical (?) numbers. If other users using
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is quite clear on cases such as this. Splitting the article back into two, one for the plant, and one for the product, also wouldn't work, because the common name that has a history of being attested in English is luo han guo, not monk fruit (or the other names listed).
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Most of this article was translated from the German article. Unfortunately, it does not provide many sources, either. This article is full of information and needs sources. I marked some of the guiltiest sections, but most of the article is at least partially guilty.
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Very nice edits, Pekinensis. However, I think the desciption of "guo" (Chinese term for melon-type fruits?) which was removed should probably stay. A "sucker" is a (mainly U.S.?) slang term for a lollipop or similar wrapped hard candy.
808:)? With regards to "suckers", the funny thing is that I grew up calling them that ("lollipop" being more of a book or television word), but somehow still failed to understand. Your generalization to candy makes more sense anyway. — 1345:
What it says is if there is a non-botanical use for the plant, such as watermelon, the common name should be used instead. Monk fruit seems to have taken over but it is a marketing name – luo han guo is more commonly used in books.
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As stated above, "Luo han guo" gets more google hits than "monk fruit". Of course, the numbers vary according to where you are located, but for me the number of hits are 385,000 and 180,000 respectively. The scientific name
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Matsumoto S., Jin M., Dewa Y., Nishimura J., Moto M., Murata Y., Shibutani M., Mitsumori K."Suppressive effect of Siraitia grosvenorii extract on dicyclanil-promoted hepatocellular proliferative lesions in male mice"
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Akihisa T., Hayakawa Y., Tokuda H., Banno N., Shimizu N., Suzuki T., Kimura Y. "Cucurbitane glycosides from the fruits of Siraitia grosvenorii and their inhibitory effects on Epstein-Barr virus activation"
1056:/g." Are these numbers correct? The extract seems to consist mostly of steroidal glycosides which I would expect to have much lower food energy value. Perhaps this is the combustion energy contents? -- 1922: 447:
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Lin G.P., Jiang T., Hu X.B., Qiao X.H., Tuo Q.H.'Effect of Siraitia grosvenorii polysaccharide on glucose and lipid of diabetic rabbits induced by feeding high fat/high sucrose chow.'
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I don't see a nutrition section or any nutrition information on monk fruit on this page at the moment. This would be a great addition for anyone who is contributing to this page.
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Just for a test, I tried "Monkfruit" (minus "monk")—result: 3,820. I know it's an insignificant number, but I just wanted to see if "monkfruit" was also used.
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Antioxidant, Enhance immunity (in mice). Glucose-lowering effect on hyperglycaemic rabbits Inhibitory effects against the Epstein-Barr virus early antigen.
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Li J., Huang Y., Liao R.-Q., He X.-C., Su X.-J., Zhong Z.-X., Huang C.-P., Lu X.-W.'Effect of Siraitia Grosvenorii polysaccharide on immunity of mice'
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Not sure. The article lists several names: arhat fruit, Buddha fruit, monk fruit, or longevity fruit. Is there a clear preference for one name?
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may not get many hits, but in a case like this where there are multiple common names used in English (and Luo han guo is attested as English),
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I have removed these sentence fragments from the article because they are quite meaningless without context, explanation, or elaboration:
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That contradicts my results: "monk fruit" gets about 2,090,000 results while "Luo han guo" gets about 1,470,000 results. Per
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per IIO. There's too much ambiguity in the common names, so the scientific name is the best way to be precise and accurate. --
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Tangguo = "sugar fruit"? Great name. My favorite is "tanghulu," but it seems to be totally unavailable in North America.
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of Google search (meaning the simplest, and usual type). Apparently there are better methods for using search engines at
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does help in determining the best title for a plant's article. In this case, the fruit is making the plant notable.
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I recognize the fact that the article is about the plant, and not about the fruit, but as mentioned above,
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Actually it looks like the German article was mostly using the ITM article that I cited in the sources.
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Well I've cleared all my history cookies etc. on Firefox, IE and Chrome and still getting 2M hits. Why?
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cleared their histories and got the same results as you, you might be on to something interesting.
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are probably under Mormordica grosvenorii and possibly under Podocarpus Fruit or Momordica fruit):
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Yeah, I think that based on the results Apteva presented there are two options - Luo han guo or
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I'm using the general search, not the google books, google news, or google scholar search.
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Yes, I was thinking of "gua." So the reference to "guo" meaning pumpkin is incorrect?
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is where the article should remain, and redirs be made of all the spelling variants.
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Fructus Momordicae redirects here. Is this the same species? Who uses this name?
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I don't think they deal much with herbal medicines. Pubmed has 10 hits for
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Thus the common name of "monk fruit" is the most logical article title.
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Thanks. I'll look those over and see what we can reference in here.
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I tried looking up "Siraitia grosvenorii" and "Luo han guo" in the
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because of the ambiguity shown by Sminthopsis84, above and per
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fulfills bullets 1 and 2, and bullets 4 and 5 because it is an
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is quite clear that the scientific name is to be preferred.
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The article said that the fruit extract "has only 230
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