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I added the sources and removed the tags. I also took out the mention that it was waterproof since that seems to be an indexing error (if you look at
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Matsumoto S., Jin M., Dewa Y., Nishimura J., Moto M., Murata Y., Shibutani M., Mitsumori K."Suppressive effect of
Siraitia grosvenorii extract on dicyclanil-promoted hepatocellular proliferative lesions in male mice"
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Siraitia grosvenorii and their inhibitory effects on Epstein-Barr virus activation"
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Lin G.P., Jiang T., Hu X.B., Qiao X.H., Tuo Q.H.'Effect of
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