Talk:Slow loris/Archive 1

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article and its sources. All other collaboration members are encouraged to add their names if they would like. Also, I want to apologize for being pushy with this article. Besides the rush to update it for the incoming hordes related to the new YoutTube video, I am also running over on my promise to myself to take a Wiki-break, where I plan to focus my efforts on publishing my research and a book I'm writing. I am sincerely sorry if I'm stepping on any toes, and I didn't want anyone else to feel pressured by my deadlines. (Instead, I probably came across as an overbearing prick.) Again, I apologize. Unfortunately, I'm cursed by being both the type of person who tries to finish everything he starts, as well as the type of person who takes on massive projects and responsibilities that most sane people would never take on alone (or even in a small team). It keeps me going... like a juggernaut, unfortunately. That's one of my many flaws as a person. I sincerely hope no one has lost heart during this collaboration. I promise that this will be the last prosimian primate I will suggest for collaboration. On any other topic, I should be more rational. ;-) As always, your open and honest comments are welcome. –

2336:. If everyone on the collaboration committee wants involved (and credit), feel free to help polish up the article and add from other sources. I primarily pulled from a single source, which is freely available. There are a few facts from that source that I did not get around to adding, so please look it over and finish it up if you want. The only reason I jumped the gun with this article was because I had inadvertently worked from notes about this single species as though it were about the entire genus. After writing a large chunk of text, I decided it was best to put it in the appropriate article. But since the rest of the material from the source was minimal in comparison, and since the article would merit a DYK with the addition, I went ahead and covered as much as I could. Again, everyone's welcome to take credit if they want to contribute something over the next few days. – 3329:

significantly better than it was before we started, there is still plenty of room for expansion. I know for a fact that there are many more details about the toxic bite from the sources currently used as references, plus there is quite a bit of information out there about their territorial behavior, hunting techniques, and reproduction. Currently, Primate Info Net is used as a source, and although I respect it, I feel that we can do better for references. Again, I'm willing to help on this section, if needed. As for the latest word count, we are up to ~23,281 characters (with spaces), which puts us at 3.4x expansion. Since special cases can be made for 4.5x expansion (especially for an article like this), I'm sure we can still make DYK. We just have to finish and nominate by Wednesday. We can do it! –

3307:~16,489 characters (with spaces), compared to ~6,898 characters (with spaces) prior to Saturday night's edit. You might double-check me because I'm having a hard time believing we may not come close to 5x expansion for the DYK credit. However, we can still count on significant expansion in the lead, "Taxonomy" subsection, "Physical description" section, and possibly the "Behavior and ecology" section. If it comes close, I can also add a "Human interactions" section to discuss some of the local beliefs and names of the slow lorises. In fact, I may try to add that tomorrow night as well. But again, because of the increased traffic, time is of the essence. Just let me know if you get tied up and unable to contribute. – 1610: 2562: 1715: 1625: 1683: 1699: 3662:

a bite or sting") is pretty vague. It goes on to say more specifically, "Venoms are highly concentrated fluids that typically consist of dozens or hundreds of powerful enzymes, peptides, and smaller organic compounds. These compounds target and disable specific chemicals in the victim, damaging cellular and organ system function." Given that the toxin does not "target" anything in the victim, I'm inclined to say that they are not venomous, but have a toxic bite. (I was going to point to the

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and some of the right-wing viewers are getting very upset with what they see as P.E.T.A. trolling. The other possibility is that this is a far-left nut that took some of the exaggerations he saw on YouTube and got a little over-excited. I didn't do the reverts, but if you want, I can go back and explain on his talk page. (It appears he only created the account to make those 3 edits and hasn't been back since.) But basically, the info is bogus and they were right to revert it. –

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do with diversity?; Why is the distribution talked about before a description of the genus? In my opinion the Distribution section should be below the Behavior and ecology section, or at least below the Description. I was also wondering about Cultural references and the link to YouTube, as I guess that's where people will be looking if they wanted to know more. Right I'll have a look through now.

2609: 4603: 4480: 3830: 3296:: I have finished most of my part of the article per our previous discussion. However, I did not have time to revamp the "Physical description". Monday night, I will finish that section and await your additions to "Taxonomy" and "Behavior and ecology". If you need help, let me know. Don't be afraid to work on the article Monday night—all I ask is that you mark it with 1781:, but they do run a sanctuary and work directly with authorities regarding confiscated animals. They know their stuff, working with it all first-hand. As long as I write in a NPOV manner, do you feel that would be fine? It's not like we have many other sources to go off of, and people should know more about these animal markets and what the exotic animal trade does. – 1824:. Anyway, I'm writing the "Conservation" section tonight and hope to finish before the sun comes up. (There's a surprisingly large amount of info if I use the IPPL newsletters, along with the CITES document.) You should see what I'm talking about when I'm done. Any questions or comments, please post here. I'll be watching through the night. – 103:" — essentially trafficking endangered species without permission. In short, it is illegal in many advanced western nations that are pro-conservation to own endangered or threatened species. In places like Russia and China, however, it is not illegal to own certain 'rare' pets, hence the slow loris pet from Russia that has become so famous. 3706: 1531:. As for the references format, if people don't mind, I would prefer to use my suggestion above, only because it keeps the references easy to find and the text body relatively clean. (No one else seemed to have any comments or objections.) If you want, I can set up the references prior to your insertion so you have something to follow. 4749:(mostly Jack's work). In fact, I encourage Jack to nominate that article once he checks with Sasata about its comprehensiveness. Otherwise, great job, everyone! We picked this topic at just the right time, and I can tell you that there is a lot of appreciation out there from the experts in the various conservation organizations. – 2764:. However, you have to keep in mind that the paper doesn't distinguish all the species recognized today, so when you're reading the section on that species, you'll need to pay close attention to which islands they're talking about. If that's not enough for you, just email me and I'll reply with some more stuff. – 4914:

I usually put chromosome counts in the "Evolutionary history" section, since it often assists with evaluating phylogeny. We might be able to sneak it in after the following sentence: "Species differentiation was based largely on differences in morphology, such as size, fur color, and head markings."

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based on content creation. If a member of the collaboration feels they merit a mention, just reply here. If you do not want to me listed on the nomination, also let me know. I apologize that the collaboration got so badly spread out that not everyone got a fair piece of the pie. Fortunately, some

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As far as I know, the "Society for the Protection Of Slow Lorises" does not exist, or if it does, it's not noteworthy. The way the insertion reads, it sounds like a smart-ass comment left by a viewer from YouTube. The Wiki articles have been mentioned and quoted a lot on the YouTube video comments,

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Haha don't worry, you didn't come across as an overbearing prick :) It's great to have someone with a lot of enthusiasm pushing things forwards! I'm going to go over the article in a second, but first a few things that I'm not so keen on: the heading Distribution and diversity, what does this have to

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when writing primate articles, is there a reason for not following it here? Obviously some sections are specific and may not be covered by the article format page. I'm not so sure about the references, I like {{r}} in that you can stack multiple refs together, don't know much about {{sfn}} other than

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nominated it for DYK yet because it could use a bit more work. The only source cited that I've completely exhausted is the IUCN Red List link, so people can start with the existing refs. I've been working on these lorises non-stop since Saturday morning, and I need a break before work tomorrow. If

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Personally, I'd just wait for more information/get more publications, and work on the other established species for now. I'm not well-acquainted enough with the literature to be comfortable stating an opinion about this yet. I'm sure I'll be less wishy-washy after the other 4 taxa are GAs or close to

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This looks excellent! Out of curiosity did you search for anything about captive diets or dietary issues? Otherwise, I would suggest adding it directly to the article. On the last collaboration, we worked in sandboxes because we wanted to get a DYK for the effort. However, this article is already

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to help reduce reference clutter, but it's not the end of the world if we don't do that—especially since this article won't be nearly as large as the Lemur article. As for the cite templates, you sacrifice the flexibility of formatting your own references, but gain the ability to standardize format.

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I'll claim the "Behaviour" section for now, with the caveat that it doesn't really matter that much to me what section I work on, and anyone else is welcome to "trade" for it. I've got online access to academic databases and am walking distance from a University library. I'll start a sandbox soon and

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article I've previously written), although I may require some assistance with the taxonomic classification section—both in terms of acquiring sources and mentally processing the 200-year mess of prosimian taxonomy. I am also interested in writing the "Conservation status" section. I don't know what

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This is a tough one, and I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer definitively. According to thefreedictionary.com, "venom" and "toxin" are related words, but not synonyms. The definition of "venom" ("a poisonous fluid secreted by such animals as certain snakes and scorpions and usually transmitted by

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Ref #60 covers all of it. We don't duplicate the citation unless there is some highly contentious content that needs an immediate citation, which I don't think is the case here. After all, we don't like too many of the same references used over and over in series, otherwise it gets excessive. See

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I don't see how it's unclear, but then again, I wrote it. I included the illustration of the slow and slender loris faces strictly for helping people visualize this. Just look at the white stripe along the nose for the two types of lorises and re-read what I wrote. If there's a better way to word

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Yes, cryptic. I was planning to discuss that in the taxonomy section. As for the topic getting bigger, yes and no. Although things are changing, it will take years for the research to come out to fill in our knowledge of these species, and I really don't see the taxonomic changes adding more than

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will be about four." The publications aren't out yet, and I'm not sure how long it will be until they are published. I have requested that she notify me of the formal publications (and ideally the press release) so that we can get the articles up quickly and get them included in "In the news...".

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It appears that there has been some disruption in the edit history recently between a new user and several editors who have reverted him. However, there were no posts to the new editor's page attempting to explain what was wrong with his edits. He appears to be adding a paragraph that, although POV

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I'm still not completely understanding this sentence. Are you saying that a palm civet was offered a sample of this toxin and didn't eat it? The toxin was just in liquid form? Would anything eat a toxin offered in this state? Also, what does the second half of the sentence have to do with the first

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here as an example, but it appears that they may actually have venom glads in their mouth rather than just a particularly nasty concoction of oral flora.) However, I could easily be persuaded to think otherwise. Anyone else want to chime in on this? Otherwise I'll ask Dr. Nekaris her opinion the

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and remove the template when you're ready for me to make my edits. I will do the same. Once you have completed your sections, I will finish re-writing the lead. (The conservation portion of the lead has already been written due to its importance for our YouTube visitors.) Currently, we're up to

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I can, although with the Sunda slow loris, it could get quite ugly since this was the species that all the others were collapsed into and then split out of. However, I'll give it my best. Please be aware that I'm taking a small break from the slow loris articles to do Erik Patel a favor and finish

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For those who care: My list of quotes and notes in my sandbox is growing quite large just for the "Conservation" section alone. I'm at 50Kb, although once I actually write my text, it should consolidate to about 75% of that total. My question is this: Should I just summarize for this article, and

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to round out the set. If you guys are up for a good or featured topic, I'm all game! I will post the photo gallery when I have finished uploading the files. I've also tracked down and requested permission to use a very good-quality photo of a slow loris getting its teeth cut—a common practice for

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I'll take "Ecology". I have acess to a few online databases...But not too many print sources. Visionholder if you ever find a way to scan them it would be great if you could send them to me. :) Thanks! By the way...are we doing the sandbox method? I guess that would be the best way to go, but then

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I removed the reference to Rowe, since that just duplicated the information in Bearder. However, the other 2 refs are needed because they address the study in different levels of specificity - Nekaris/Bearder gives the precise percentages, but doesn't explcitly mention the gums. Bearder mentions

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I went back to the source (which took me a while to remember I viewed on Amazon's "Look inside" feature), and discovered I had mentioned the wrong details. I've added the 3 correct species that were tested, along with more details about the experiment. Just let me know if there are any lingering

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I don't mind either, I've just written the Sunda how I know! I guess cause the rest are American English then it should be too. As for section headings: I agree more subsections should be joined, a single paragraph doesn't look right; as for section headings, which ones should we use then: Anatomy

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article. The programmer in me is using the excuse that my workload is a "first in, last out" data queue with a few sporadic interrupt processes. Seriously, take your time. I hope to finish the Marojejy article either tonight or tomorrow night, and then I'll be away Tuesday and Wednesday night.

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to adjust the maps. I have asked the creator (Chermundy) to possibly re-create the maps as SVG files (making such changes a lot easier, plus making the maps more scalable). Up until this point, I've been waiting for Chermundy to make the SVG maps for the 5 species. If he were to do that, then I

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Also, since no one replied to my question about reference formatting, I have chosen one that I hope will make everyone happy. Instead of LDR, we can list all the journal articles, books, etc. in the "Literature cited" section. As long as you use the cite templates and end with "ref = harv", then

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Please note that I am adjusting the section headings, most notably by merging "Behavior" and "Ecology". Since there are three people interested in the "Behavior" topic (or subtopics), I ask that you discuss amongst yourself how to divide it up. This section will be the largest in the article, so

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Diet, "may enhance their ability to feed on exudates: a long narrow tongue to make it easier to reach gum stashed in cracks and crevices; a large cecum to help the animal digest complex carbohydrates; and a short duodenum." For the first two adaptations you give a reason that a specific change is

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I have finished expanding the "Physical description" section and added a "Cultural references" section as well. I have also expanded the lead, although the behavioral information will need updating once that section is finished. I've looked through the "Behavior and ecology" section, and though

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may have too many subsections. I don't feel that a single paragraph is sufficient content for second level header. I'll take a look at that today while I review the article and try to find sources that have not been included. As for the genus article, I requested feeback on the layout when the

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we'll find for "cultural references" from SE Asia. As for the YouTube video that's driving this page's popularity, I'm not sure how we can mention it unless we can find a reliable source about it. I can also help with the anatomy section since I have a pretty good primate anatomy book on-hand. –

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is now live. I still need to do a proofread/copyedit, and I'd like to add a few more pictures of animal markets from the Flickr links below. Once I finish that—hopefully tomorrow night—I will create a summary in my sandbox for the conservation section and start working on anatomy information.

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I reordered it a bit, moving the 1st 2 sentences of the 2nd paragraph to the end. Now the 1st paragraph introduces the topic and gives the dietary parameters for the larger slow lorises, and the 2nd paragraph concentrates on the dietary parameters of the pygmy slow loris (and the information on

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templates to quite a few of the articles with my username. I am not trying to claim ownership of these article, but instead following a trend I do with all articles I'm involved in the writing of: Letting visitors and other editors know that they can contact me if they have questions about the

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Just a heads up - I am finding next to nothing on social systems. Sussman's book just says that little research has been done, and I haven't found more than a couple more sentences worth of material than that (basically that they are usually found singly, but sometimes in pairs). I have had a

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IMO, this article needs so much work, as long as your edits don't "break" anything, I don't see any problems with you writing your section on the mainspace. As for scanning the sources, I'd need to find a free PDF converter. Once upon a time, I had a PDF print driver that would output in PDF

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Looks like that source will be great for conservation, thanks! I've just done a large chunk of the behaviour section, haven't got enough time to finish the references now but will get onto that tomorrow. Alex I was wondering if you would like to tackle the taxonomy section as you seem to have

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I was about to say the same thing... Osman Hill mentions the anatomy of the digestive tract, including the short duodenum, but does not discuss it it further than that. There may be something in Kubota and Iwamoto 1966 (cited in Nekaris 2010) that we may want to try to dig up before the FAC.

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As far as I know, few scientists work with them, and when they do, I'm sure the animals are sedated. Even in captivity (for a handful of slender lorises), the goal is to not be bitten. The only sources I have seen say "maybe" and don't give anything definite either way. Keep in mind that

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Once the slow loris and Pygmy Slow Loris articles are completed we will need to think about the consistency of the topic. We need consistent section titles, section order, map colours and reference format. I'm quite happy to do some cleanup if we agree on the format. I generally follow

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After that, I'll write about the evolution. If someone doesn't mind taking on taxonomy, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I would like to finish the parent article and then move on to polish up the last two species articles. In my opinion, this parent article has waited long enough. –

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There is still one issue above that I would like to see resolved, but since it is very minor, I am passing the article to GA status as it currently stands. Very nice work on this, guys (and gals, if any of you are!), and I hope I will see it at FAC at some point in the future!

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Don't worry... I feel the same way about writing in British English. Every time I read an article written in it, I learn new spellings I had never seen before. I'll make the change in a little bit. As for the header names, that's something that may need to be discussed at

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is not kept in captivity. To acquire those, I need to get one of the researchers to respond. Although I have connections in the lemur world, my name hasn't spread too far out yet. Therefore, my emails may be getting deleted before they're read. I'll keep trying, though.

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So, obviously, my vote is LDR with cite templates. If others agree, I can go ahead and start structuring the existing references in the article and get the appropriate References/Notes section(s) set up with hidden text explaining how it works. Any other ideas or votes?

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is slightly more complicated, as Groves and Maryanto (2008) do not recognize it. However, the IUCN Red List does recognize it, as does Nekaris, one of the main slow loris experts. Groves and Maryanto (2008), however, say that they could be persuaded by genetic data that

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You're welcome! I've finished going through the rest of the article now, and made a few more comments above. I'm now placing the article on hold to allow the rest of the comments above to be addressed. It's a great article! Also, just as a note, I reviewed the

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Thanks for the review Dana. I've fixed some easy ones, and will leave the rest of the comments to VisionHolder, who either has the specific sources, or the primate knowledge to deal with them. Wasn't aware of the new user's additions, I'll leave him a note.

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I checked both refs, but the Nekaris et al. ref only mentions the 3 adaptations (no explanation), while the Swapna et al. ref names and explains 2 of the 3. To be honest, I'm really not sure. Even my book on primate ecology doesn't go into it in detail.

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mostly wrote it, so I left it for him. We didn't realize he was out of the country until yesterday, but it looks like Ucucha just got most of it taken care of. I just spoke to Jack and he said he'd visit to finish off the rest of the concerns. Thanks!

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Let me also clarify by saying that I see nothing wrong with standardizing the order and names of the primary headers in species articles. However, I feel that second-level headers can vary significantly, depending upon what is known about the species.

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a paragraph to this article along with a very small species article, mostly focused on taxonomy, geographic range, and population sizes. Trying to be optimistic here, I see this as making this topic more exciting and only slightly more challenging. –

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I am hoping to have a photo of loris ointment coming in soon from Carly Starr for use either on this page or on the conservation page. However, we don't really have any good pet photos, aside from the one with the teeth being cut. We currently have

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Consistency is good, but not always practical. I agree that we should stick to one referencing system for the topic, but the headers are not as easy to accommodate. Some species have information about one topic, while others don't. Also, I think

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article done, along with the summary section for this article. I'm not sure if I even want to think about the evolution and taxonomy section at this point. Either way, I'm hoping we'll be ready to put that stuff to use within a couple of weeks.

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and the effects of the exotic pet / traditional medicine trades. If I cannot acquire photos of the pet trade / traditional medicine, is everyone okay with leaving the existing "pet" photo with a caption along the lines of what I have given it?

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Because of the increased traffic from the new YouTube video that was release earlier this week ("slow loris with a tiny umbrella"), I am now pushing to finish up this topic's central article, despite still having one species article to write.

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Thanks. I think someone else wrote most of the Diet section, so I will drop him a note and ask him to look those over. Unfortunately, I don't have access to some of those refs. Otherwise, I've fixed everything I can at the moment. As for

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they eat), but then switches back to diet composition, and then back to habits. I think it would make more sense to have all of the composition information together, then all of the habits information together. However, maybe that's just

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Behavior and ecology, "the closely related pottos and slender lorises may share the trait." We don't know? Seems like something that we would be quick to find out, if for nothing more than the health of the scientists that work with

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Just a quick note: I will be going out of town from Sunday through Wednesday to attend a funeral. Before I leave, I'm trying to finish up some GA reviews I started, and hopefully will work on the loris conservation stuff tomorrow.

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for an example. All LDR does is move the defining reference tag (with the cite template) into the references section. I used the R template so that I could clean the text up even more, so that instead of saying "<ref name=ref1/:

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Btw, I've went ahead and added some of the photos to the article and the species articles just to give some ideas. If you are responsible for a section, feel free to replace images, move them around, and/or re-write the captions.

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and unsourced, was well worded and obviously not straight-up vandalism. Has anyone attempted to contact him to explain what was wrong with his contributions and perhaps see if he has anything positive to contribute to the article?

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Lead, "used in personal, social grooming, and feeding." Perhaps "personal and social grooming and feeding"? As it is, "personal" as an independent piece of the sentence doesn't make sense. Same sentence and comment in Description

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Thanks for catching the conflict. I'm not sure why the sources disagree, but it might be a difference between captivity (the longer time) and wild populations (the shorter time). Anyway, I've removed the older (captive) data.

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I'm a little confused at the layout of the Diet section. In the first paragraph it talks about the composition of their diet. The second paragraph starts off with a description of their eating habits (not the food itself, but

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I can first tell you that there are more than two statutes in the United States, several in Canada, and one international treaty that protects endangered and threatened species. In the US, the most notable would be the

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and I are chatting in Gmail, and he looked up Kubota and Iwamoto 1966 and said it only talked about the tongue. Unless we can find a general primate book that discusses such adaptations, I think we're at a dead end.

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I've changed some of the section headings in the slow loris articles, even moved some of the information around. If you have any issues with the changes, bring them up here. I've tried to do so for consistency. The

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That looks good! Please do me a favor and include my name on the GAC(s). Internet permitting, I will try to follow and contribute while I'm away, and will definitely be involved when I get back. If you feel the

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I have also found a CITES document that I will be using that may have other helpful biological/ecological facts for use in other sections. I went ahead and added it to the article, or you can following this link:

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I'm sure there will be plenty to divide up. Also, there appears to be a lot of information about captive care (from a zoo perspective), and that raises the question of where (and if?) to include it. Thoughts? –

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as well. I don't think that guideline page was every discussed, and I think I even edited the list in my early days. If anything, we should standardize the first level names and order, if that's possible.

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It's entirely possible that very little is known about certain aspects of their biology. If that's the case, we can always divide up the sections again to make sure that everyone has something to work on.

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Can someone, who is better at writing within Wiki guidelines than I am, put in a section about "Slow Loris in popular press" (or something like that) with a link to what has become a bit of a viral video?

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That's great! I think a FT/GT is eminently achievable. Haven't done much yet myself, waiting for an opportunity to go to the uni library to tap into their mammalogy resources... hopefully this weekend!

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As promised, here are the photos. Again, if I'm lucky, I should have a picture of a tooth clipping sometime soon. The only other photo I'm looking for is traditional medicine made from loris parts. –

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The purpose of a discussion page is to discuss things. Not to delete other people's comments without adding value, leaving just your topic. If you have opinions on the above topic, please add comments.

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Diet, "A 1984 study of the Sunda slow loris indicated that its diet consists of 71% fruit and gums and 29% insects and other animal prey." Why does this need three references to three different papers?

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I'll put my fungal articles aside for a while and start on the Pygmy Slow Loris in earnest. Once all the species articles are written it should be a snap to write up a taxonomy section for the genus.

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article a few days ago and placed it on hold. No-one has yet replied to any of the comments, so I'm hoping that someone watching this page might be interested in popping over there as well? Thanks,

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Ok guys, I have (finally) put the anatomy section into my sandbox. Just thought I'd let you guys know, I came down with the flu last Friday, so I'm trying to recover and work at the same time. :)

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A valid question. Due to the increasing popularity of this animal due to the media exposure of one of these animals being kept as a pet in Russia, it has left many readers interested in ownership.

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Gimme a week or so and I'll be ready to do some work on this. Shoot me an email with any relevant info sources. I'm in the whirlwind of post-wedding chaos and will be back at work on Dec 15. -

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I can take a shot at "Diet" and "Social Systems", since I have Sussman's book, although others will probably need to fill in some details. A few other offline sources that might be useful are:

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I've put a request for comment on the article format and changed as much of the spellings I could find, it's difficult to think in another language though :) Not far off GAN I reckon. Cheers,

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Description, "ranges between being perpendicular to pointing slightly backwards." Because you're taking about a range, I think that the "to" in this sentence should be changed to an "and".

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I don't have access to any of the current taxonomy papers, which is why I haven't finished writing the Sunda Slow Loris section on taxonomy. Once that's done it can go up for GAN. Cheers,

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To be honest with you, after all the literature I've been through for the conservation and taxonomy stuff, I feel very comfortable with saying that we can safely create an article for

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Unlike the slender lorises, however, the white stripe that separates the eye rings and broadens both on the tip of the nose and on the forehead while also fading out on the forehead.

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fairly large, and I don't see us getting 5x expansion out of it. For that reason, I'm going to work directly in the article... hopefully starting next week once I finish re-vamping

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helpful, for the third (the duodenum) you just say it's different and leave it at that. Can we have some reason as to why a short duodenum is a good thing for their particular diet?

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Diet, "Slow lorises can eat while hanging upside down from a branch with both hands." They eat with both hands while hanging upside down, or they hang with both hands while eating?

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Do you have Microsoft Word? If so, you could scan them into Word and then Save the file as a pdf. Otherwise, you could probably find file converters all over the internet. Try

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In the Mondulkiri Province of Cambodia, hunters believe that lorises can heal their own broken bones immediately after falling from a branch in order to climb back up the tree

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I got a new photo from Dr. Sanchez for both this article and that new loris conservation article. (See right.) Very tragic to look at, but the photo's quality is superb! –

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Some sources indicate that the slow lorris makes a bad pet (beyond being illegal). Unfortunately, most sources are just forum posts and stuff; here's a potentially good one:

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Citing sources has been the bane of my existence for a while, there are so many ways to do it. Is it possible to user the list-defined references along with the templates?

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And another inconsistency we need to address is the type of English: British English or American English? Not my favorite topic, but it needs to be addressed. –

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Everyone who wants to be involved needs to list the sections that they would be interested in writing. Personally, I favor the general article structure used on

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and physiology vs Physical description vs Description, Distribution vs Geographic range vs Habitat and distribution, etc.? Good work so far by the way! Cheers,

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Having done some reading now, I agree it's commonly accepted that there are five species. I'll help with the Bornean Slow Loris tomorrow, but now must sleep...

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This weekend I will make trip to the library and sign out or copy all the literature they have on this topic (including that article you wanted, VH). I'll put

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Behavior and ecology. One paragraph says "long weaning times (three to six months)" while the next says "wean at five to seven months." Standardize, please.

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Oops... I think I looked at the text when I was paraphrasing and rather than using the wording I was thinking about, I typed the word I was looking at. –

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Ok, so I’m taking predator avoidance and cultural references. I signed my name next to the sections I’m doing. Could everyone else please do the same?

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Since we may be doing the entire topic as part of this collaboration, I wanted to let everyone know that I went ahead and wrote a huge chunk of the

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Unfortunately, I don't have Acrobat, so I can't scan them and send them to everyone else. However, I will gladly look up information upon request.

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someone else wants to help polish the article up for DYK, please do so. Otherwise I will try to finish it up tomorrow night so it can make DYK. –

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Wildlife trade, "Traditional medicine made from loris parts are thought to cure many diseases," medicine...are - singular/plural agreement.

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Is 2n=50. I have a feeling this should go in somewhere (description?), but don't really want to leave it as an isolated sentence. Ideas?

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More recently, researchers have documented the belief that the consumption of loris meat was an aphrodisiac that improves "male power.

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template, which will link the citation note (i.e. "Sanchez 2008, p. 10") to the full citation. You can see an example at the article

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article. LDR makes it easier to track down references and keeps the text from getting too thick with code. I also tend to use the

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to send it to me.) Maybe it will offer something a little more definitive... In the meantime, what do you guys want to do to? –

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expert (Helena Fitch-Snyder) and requested help obtaining photos. If I'm lucky, we should get something better to work with. –

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Also, if I can find a good reference (possibly on the IUCN Red List site?), I can also try to make a range map for the genus. –

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what I mean? But if you feel the citations need to be duplicated, just say so and let's get Sasata's opinion on the matter. –

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Thanks for the review, Dana boomer, and thanks for jumping on this quickly, Sasata. My comments and fixes are noted above. –

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About captive care, I'm not sure. I've have to see what's available in the literature. There are links to some material at:

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I have changed my mind about making the edit (to the article itself) tonight. Instead, I will be working out of my sandbox:

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section in Bornean Slow Loris is a bit awkward, it's a shame more is not known about the behaviour of the species. Cheers,

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Description, "The ears are reduced in size," Reduced from what? Also "their tail is greatly reduced" later in the section.

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As for myself, I would be most interested in writing the "Evolutionary history" section (given it's close tie-in to the

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So are slow lorises not venomous? Isn't introducing a toxin via a bite to protect from predators considered venomous?

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Also, a line from the soon-appearing pygmy slow loris rewrite that may be suitable for inclusion here: "Although the

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collaborators deserve a lion-share of the credit for some of the other articles I hope we take to FAC soon, such as

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Fixed. Sorry, both the sources and I think in terms of related primates so the language tends to be comparative. –

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The range maps of each species should really all be the same colour or at least correspond with their colour on the

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We have photos! Courtesy David Haring at the Duke Lemur Center, we now have a total of nine quality photos of both

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Looks great. I will expand it later tonight after the youngins get to bed ... might be GAN-ready in a day or two!

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I have made a 3.5 Mb PDF file of the ZooNooz article that covers general info about lorises (including the genus

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exudates, which is primarily a pygmy slow loris issue). The last short paragraph deals with the eating habits.

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Behavior and ecology, "an African palm civet (Nandinia binotata) averted a sample" I'm not sure what this means?

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This genus article is nearing completion (minus tweaking and a few small additions), and has been nominated for

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I wonder why Groves and Maryanto didn't look at Chen et al., which was published 2 years previously... Odd. –

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to the list of links above. It's an older book (pre-1923), but it might have some useful info or pictures. –

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could easily create a combined SVG map for the genus and properly show ranges for 5 species instead of 3. –

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Groves and Maryanto (2008) was a book chapter, and book chapters often have delayed publication schedules.

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my sandbox, not much there yet, just collecting sources. Will update when I actually get something done.

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You can see what this did to the Google search (it looks like it spiked at 100x the previous volume):

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And good news! I got another researcher to release more photos, this time of the Bengal Slow Loris (

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importing or exporting, taking, possessing, selling, delivering, carrying, transporting, or shipping

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In May/June 2009, the Slow Loris became really well known because of a video of one being tickled:

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Same as the point above. This is covered by ref #76, which is used on the following sentence. –

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again, I could use a few more mainspace edits in my edit count lol. 00:17, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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I will start working on the Pygmy Slow Loris in my sandbox, and will have something DYK-ready

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is ready for FAC, then go for it. Again, I will participate, particularly when I get back. –

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Chen, Z.; Zhang, Y.; Shi, L.; Liu, R.; Wang, Y. (1993). "Studies on the chromosomes of genus

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before it goes DYK and GAC, if you don't mind. I may have a few sources you don't have. –

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Hi! I'll be reviewing this page for GA status and should have the full review up shortly.

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No problem. I'm still struggling with my part. It may be another week before I have the

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Are there any strong opinions about how to format references? Personally, I prefer using

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lorisiform primates (and prosimian primates in general) are very poorly understood. –

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More photos uploaded: dried loris and loris ointment. These are from Carly Starr. –

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Behavior and ecology, "Slow lorises can produce" They can produce or they do produce?

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That's fine, I think I'll take "Predator avoidance", and since I'm pretty active in

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collaboration began (above), but got no replies. I modeled it after the article

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Yes, you can use the cite templates with LDR. Just look at the Wiki code behind

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Nice procuring! Makes me want to work on the species articles too ... perhaps a

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I have the following print sources on hand to assist in the article's creation.

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Also, this raises one question in my mind- do all loris so enjoy being tickled?

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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Behavior and ecology, second paragraph: first few sentences are unreferenced.

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then write a separate article on loris conservation (which could include the

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report back here later (assuming we're doing the sandbox method like with

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Lol! I have no room to criticize. I started by re-vamping my first FA,

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as sources in the "Conservation" section. It's a non-profit that is not

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Fitch-Snyder, H; Livingstone, K (2008). "Lorises: The Surprise Primate".

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http://www.archive.org/stream/reviewofprimates01elli#page/21/mode/1up

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Also, it looks like someone did a decent job of taking photos of an

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I was wondering what you guys think of using the newsletters of the

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Some information on this would be a good addition to the article.

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Looks like I've now become the official Wiki contact for lemurs

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http://www.loris-conservation.org/database/Coauthors/Helena.html

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Menninger, Joan; O'Brien, Stephen J.; Nash, William A. (2006).

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The question becomes: Which species do we recognize? I think

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It still doesn't make sense to me, it looks to me as if the

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I use it with books. What does everyone else think? Cheers,

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Oops! My mistake. I'm in the process of fixing it now. –

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Here are a few links that might help in reference finding:

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is a separate species, and the data in Chen et al. (2006,

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immersed yourself in the nitty-gritty of it all. Cheers,

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BTW, I'll write a GA about the sole fossil species of

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Chatterjee, HJ; Ho, SYW; Barnes, I; Groves, C (2009).

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6731631.stm

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on the chromosomes of all slow lorises are similar,

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Final push and response to the latest YouTube video

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Dried slow loris (left), and loris ointment (right)

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Sorry. – 448: 436: 325: 313: 279: 267: 8: 4847:: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( 4557:(images are tagged and non-free images have 2042:I think we should go with the five species ( 2760:One source that might keep you occupied is 4828:. New York, New York: Wiley-Liss. p. 106. 3694: 3242:article, unless someone has objections. – 2526:up for GA by Sunday night, and plonk down 2332:article this evening and submitted it for 821:The Pictorial Guide to the Living Primates 779:Campbell, Christina; et al., eds. (2006). 248:1.2 Taxonomic classification and phylogeny 763:Mammals of India (Princeton Field Guides) 2188:This just in from Nekaris (via email): " 1559:We have more photos! This time we have 4814: 4732:I have just nominated this article for 3725: 3697: 3592:Cultural references, second paragraph: 3546:Cultural references, second paragraph: 2804:article. After that, I want to finish 2459:, though there is a new article called 1906:2008 publication by Groves and Maryanto 1898:The World's 25 Most Endangered Primates 1723:at an animal market having its fur dyed 1678: 1591: 1360: 1309: 1296:The following photos are now available: 4896: 4885: 4840: 3638:Cultural references, third paragraph: 1106:, and also the use of cite templates ( 863: 853: 841:(2nd edition ed.). Allyn & Bacon. 806: 795: 590: 510: 500: 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4736:. I listed co-nominators as myself, 7: 4171:The former. I reworded to clarify. 4018:half, which talks about cat dander? 2648: 2636: 2620: 2592: 2580: 486:Primate Ecology and Social Structure 2455:I prefer Loris conservation as per 1920:. Nekaris & Jaffe 2007 splits 4602: 4552:, where possible and appropriate. 4479: 3829: 1136:, etc.). For an example, see the 1001:http://www.loris-conservation.org/ 597:: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI ( 548:. Johns Hopkins University Press. 412:http://www.loris-conservation.org/ 24: 2087:may well be the most distinctive 1769:Sources for conservation and NPOV 1021:I'll post more as I find them. – 4601: 4578: 4564: 4478: 4454: 4451:Fair representation without bias 4427: 4417: 4392: 4378: 4364: 3862: 3828: 3204: 3195: 2647: 2635: 2619: 2607: 2591: 2579: 2569: 2560: 2545: 1713: 1697: 1681: 1653: 1638: 1623: 1608: 1594: 1399: 1390: 1381: 1372: 1363: 1339: 1330: 1321: 1312: 29: 3410:Description, second paragraph: 2461:conservation of painted turtles 4825:Atlas of Mammalian Chromosomes 2742:I'm going to have a go at the 2083:) seem pretty clear. In fact, 1047:Walker's Primates of the World 815:(There is also a 2009 edition) 765:. Princeton University Press. 546:Walker's Primates of the World 245:1.1 Distribution and diversity 186:Let's get this party started! 97:Endangered Species Act of 1973 1: 3568:I've attempted to clarify. – 3025:12:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC) 2991:17:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 2977:15:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 2963:07:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 2704:Also, I'd like a stab at the 1496:00:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC) 1475:00:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC) 1450:00:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC) 1428:23:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC) 1291:20:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC) 1248:22:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC) 940:06:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC) 915:04:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC) 452:22:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC) 130:02:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC) 4579: 4565: 4455: 4428: 4418: 4393: 4379: 4365: 3863: 3279:15:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC) 3258:20:19, 23 January 2011 (UTC) 2944:Conservation of slow lorises 2930:04:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC) 2901:14:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC) 2883:17:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC) 2857:16:45, 23 January 2011 (UTC) 2824:15:38, 3 February 2011 (UTC) 2795:14:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC) 2780:21:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC) 2756:21:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC) 2738:05:09, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 2724:05:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 2700:05:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 2675:04:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 2575:Conservation of slow lorises 2517:04:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 2493:19:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC) 2304:17:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC) 2279:16:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC) 2257:19:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC) 2236:19:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC) 2217:19:18, 11 January 2011 (UTC) 2177:08:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC) 2168:06:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC) 2154:02:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC) 1944:. 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