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Please, everyone and whoever: I changed the link to the coat of arms' picture used on the slovak version site, but its colours are different (more bright). I do not dare to change the flag's link also. Instead I'm asking some skillfull well-doer: please, try to alternate the picture! As you can see,
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the Third Reich 100, or 500 (I'm not sure about the exact sum, it was either a 100 or 500,--) Reichsmark for every jewish person, deported from Slovak territory into Nazi-Occupied territories in this early stage of deportations, which is a particularly awful aspect of the Slovak
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and its subsidiary camps. Most of the victims gassed immediately upon arrival perished however in the Action Reinhard death camps; there were whole transports, usualy of 1.000 victims per train, that were doomed to certain death, because in Belzec and Sobibór, no selections of labor-able and
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independence" as taking a specific object. Had Quebec left Canada, it wouldn't have done so by declaring independence; it would have done so by declaring sovereignty. I'm not so clear on this mushy concept of "independence" that the terms should be left implicit. —
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