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What do you think of rephrasing "Only the stone walls remained of the church. The chimneys of the church spread the fire rapidly to the roof. When the steeple toppled it took out electric and telephone lines. Several hundred residents were without service for some time. The fire was so much out of
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Hello, I am looking forward to performing a review of this article. My approach is to review each section, make minor edits as I go along (links, punctuation, etc.) to save us both time and effort, and then assess the article against GA criteria. Feel free to revert edits that I make if you
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Original tower of the big church rose to an imposing height, and the top of the steeple was the highest point of any structure in the
Shamokin area. The tower was reduced by 100 feel in 1932. In 1938, new altars, communion railing and wainscoting of white Carrara marble were installed
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Happy with all the changes and improvements you have made. I can't see anything more I should do. If I missed something, please point it out and I will correct. All done as far as I am concerned. Article has come out real nice = looks like a Good
Article to me. What do you think?
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assumed supervision of the church in 1875, with four nuns placed at St. Edwards. A convent was built for them in 1877. A brick schoolhouse was completed in 1884 on a lot opposite the church. By 1911, there were more than 700 students who were taught by 14 Sisters of
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The article is a bit short for a good article. It will be interesting to see if there is additional content that may be added to round out the article. For instance, there is very little information about the ways that the church operated with its membership and the
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Perhaps "Father J.J. Koch in
September of 1866 transferred from St. Joseph's church in Milton, Pennsylvania. He was given the position of being in charge of the congregation at Shamokin and was appointed the first official resident pastor." could be reworded to
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The first mass was held in the basement on
Christmas and church services were held there until the entire building was completed.{{sfn|Whipporwill|1911|p=719}} The plastering and interior woodworking was completed in 1879.<ref name=NewsItem04_08_1971 /:
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Perhaps the second sentence, "Many of those of the
Catholic faith were employed in the building of the railroad." could be combined into the first sentence, like "A need for a Catholic church began with Danville and Pottsville Railroad workers
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I think this article does a great job of managing the content for it's construction, remodeling, and reconstruction. It would be nice to have some information about the church's activities - for instance, I think the church ran a school.
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Perhaps "An extensive remodeling project was done in 1968 and 1969. Exterior work was done to repair the stone walls and mortar joints. Additional remodeling of the church interior was also done then." could be reworded to
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Additional content about the nature of the churches activities would be helpful. There is a suggestion to tighten up the language about the fire. Otherwise, the article covers the major topics and is focused. (3a,
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is a diff of all my comments after I said that I was going to do a bit more work. Do you want to read through the article and/or my edits to ensure that the article looks good to you? Then, I am ready to pass
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The article is generally cited with reliable sources; The last citation to "Place Beam" I was going to check out but the site no longer exists. Is it possible to get an archived page, or another source? (2a,
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You have made a lot of progress and the article is filling in nicely. I haven't finished doing research for the churches activities... but I really like having some of the architectural elements in the
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I am not quite understanding "three lights in series" in "The
Roselle Park electrical system was wired with three lights in series on each circuit of 330 volts." Could it be reworded a bit for clarity?
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The fourth paragraph has the content for Fire of 1971. Some of that information is a bit too detailed for an encyclopedia. It would be best to summarize and/or put some of the detail into notes.
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There seems to be a discrepancy between the introduction and the second paragraph of the history section about whether or not it was "the first church in the world to use electric lighting."
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Perhaps "The church interior was remodeled during 1906 and 1907. Decorations by the
Italian artist Baraldi were used and stained glass windows added." could be reworded to something like
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Father J.J. Koch, who had served St. Joseph's church in Milton, Pennsylvania, was transferred in
September of 1866 to Shamokin, where he was appointed the first official resident pastor.
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Construction on a second, larger St. Edward's church building was completed by
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Great, thanks! I think that looks good. I will try to find more information about the church's activities and its consolidation / renaming as Mother Cabrini Catholic Church.
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The fire, so fierce that it required 200 volunteer fiement to fight the fire and save nearby structures, took down the church so that all that remained were the stone walls.
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I see, and did some editing of the placement, of this information (from the above four bullets) to the Early church history and Construction and electricity sections.
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Father Koch was the vicar general of the Diocese of Harrisburg for 23 years. He was appointed administrator of the dioceses in 1898.{{sfn|Whipporwill|1911|p=720}}
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Perhaps "In 1938 additional remodeling was done to the church. The church basement was converted into a social hall at that time." could be phrased as
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The church tower, with four large bells weighing 8,500 pounds, was 207 feet (63 m) tall. A well-known artist from Philadelphia created the interior
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Father Koch organized a parochial school in 1874, which operated out of the 1866 church building. Initially, lay teachers taught the students. The
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And, later on the same page, the early church was demolished to make room for the new church, so it sounds like they were on the same site, right?
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These sections make sense in terms of the content that is already in the article... and where to provide more information. How does that sound?
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An extensive remodeling project of 1968 and 1969 resulted in repairs to exterior stone walls and mortar joints and remodeling of the interior.
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I wasn't very clear. I just meant that you don't have to worry about paraphrasing the content from 1911, it's copyright expired.
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Its congregation grew out of earlier Shamokin churches and served the men that worked on the Danville and Pottsville Railroad.
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Preachers from Pottsville and Minersville, Pennsylvania led church services in the village of Shamokin beginning in 1838.
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Just as a couple of ideas to tighten up the verbiage, how about:
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Sisters of Charity from Mount St. Vincent, New York
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