Talk:Steamboat Bill, Jr.

1569:, since its meaning would be radically altered without it. This comma has no meaning whatsoever in this construction. And we have evidence that various RS drop it, so it is definitely optional. It's conventional (in all publications) to normalize minor stylistic quirks, without a second thought, to a house rule, including letter casing (many style guides require a specific convention), changing font styling (e.g., to add italics around a genus and species in a journal article title, and to drop all font effects other than sometimes semantic emphasis if removing it would change the meaning), normalizing the title and subtitle separator (usually from a dash or comma to the now-standard colon), etc. Optional, meaningless punctuation is no different, and is not comparable to major editorial changes that are not done (except possibly with square-bracketed editorial markup or an ellipsis), like spelling (e.g., 3202:, it's not absurd at all. A fictional character is a creation of an author, playwright, screenwriter, or what have you. They create a work of art, and within that work of art there are "characters" which transmit and define the story. They are not real people, and their names are not those of real people. They are characters. If the character is named "Steamboat Bill, Jr.", for example (I picked the name out of a hat or the air or somewhere), and that name is on a written page or is shown on film or tape, then that is the name assigned to a character. If it contains a comma before the 'Jr.' then that is the characters name. I fail to understand how this is absurd, although coming back to the comma wars seems to be. 318: 297: 269: 249: 2761: 1674:- as a phrase this would normally be written as "junior Steamboat Bill", putting the qualifying adjective first. The comma in the rearranged usage as a proper name makes it clear to the reader that 'junior' is not the noun of the sentence, but is a qualifier. Usage for qualifiers at the end of a phrase is comma separation, as in "I enjoyed it, mostly" or "we lost, however". It appears also the basis on which this film was most commonly marketed. 71: 53: 22: 179: 151: 1545:, the reason the film's fame and acclaim is mentioned, at least in my thinking, is a concern for Knowledge. Changing the name of an iconic film (a film, not a person, something that seems lost to the opposing editors here) harms Knowledge, in my opinion. As an encyclopedia if we can't get the name of a famous film right then that, to some degree, may call the sites other facts into question. 477: 189: 81: 1563:. I previously supported retention of the "junior comma" in one case of another work's title because the publisher/distributor consistently titled it with the comma, always. That isn't the case here, since the movie was also advertised without the comma, indicating no authorial intent to require it. By contrast, the question mark is mandatory in the title of the film 677:, many of which were not person names. This article has been comma-free since it created 5 years ago; no reason to go opposite of guidelines now. Not sure what Steel1943 means by "the printed article title (with a comma)"; if he means the styling from some of the movie posters, we'd need to do all-caps, too. I notice the Rotten Tomatoes does all caps, no comma, like 2810:, etc. The only argument seems to be that some editors want an MOS guideline from a completely unrelated project to be applied here in a way that knowingly falsifies a movie title. Why would an encyclopedia want to knowingly falsify a film title in order to slavishly follow another project's guideline that doesn't apply outside that project? 3216:

It's absurd because it's so different from how we treat names of real people. Most of the authors and creators of these characters probably had never given any thought to how the name might be styled in print, nor thought about how the recommended and commonly used styles for such names might evolve

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Don't you think it's absurd that a guideline on how to style names would be ignored when the names are of fictional people, just because the guideline is on a page about biographies? I don't think there was ever any discussion that led to the conclusion that you're claiming, even though there was a

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Yes, newest (4th) agrees, as do almost all other modern guides, American or otherwise. And this is not an existence rationale, but a record of discussions that make the consensus clear. Not sure that you mean by "real-life names"; we're not deviating from the name or from styling that can be found

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Of course they thought of the name appearing in print - in the case of print media, they wrote it as is, and if the character's name appears in a screenplay or television script, they knew it was going to appear on screen in the credits. Maybe writers working today might not use a comma before Jr.,

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If it is still under copyright the original term will have been renewed. If you look at the list you will see an entry labelled "Steamboat Bill, Jr. / directed by Charles F. Reisner." which mentions the original registration: "Previous Registration: Silent motion picture prev. reg. 1928, LP 25362."

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They probably didn't use the comma in that poster as it wouldn't look correct because 'Jr.' is slightly above and smaller, and they were highlighting 'Steamboat Bill'; you probably won't notice 'Jr.' immediately at first glance. You'll notice that they have comma whenever 'Jr.' is noticeable. I did

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As I and other editors have noted, it is not encyclopedic to knowingly falsify a movie's title because of a Knowledge style guideline that does not apply outside WP:BIOGRAPHY. What we have precedent for is correctly and encyclopedically including movie-title punctuation where it verifiably exists.

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The consensus in previous RfCs concerned more about biographies. Why does the consensus extend to non-biographical parts not named after other people? Checking history logs, the comma was added but then removed. Struck out WP:TITLECHANGES; I thought the article was originally "Steamboat Bill, Jr."

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and other film-importance lists honor it, and specific scenes have become icons. If there is an exception to a guideline which may be used to argue that a real-world artwork which contains a comma should be renamed on the world's foremost encyclopedia, then this is one where an exception should be

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captain and his gawky, college-student son, who meet for the first time. Keaton performed his own stunts, and the film is known for the most famous of them all: the facade of an entire house falls on top of him while he stands in the perfect spot to survive unscathed as the frame of an open attic

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Well, I think the difference between changing a title and changing the styling of a title is something you're missing here. Nobody would support "Goodbye, Chips", for obvious reasons, just as they would not add "Mr." to a title of an article about a person. Yet may wikipedians are opposing this

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We don't treat fictional names any differently from non-fictional ones. The seeming problem in this case is that we also don't change titles of published works. So we run into a consistency conflict no matter what: Either usage in this article will conflict with that in others, or usage in this

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A short answer to George_Ho's "Why does the consensus extend to non-biographical parts": Because style rules exist for consistency, so applying them inconsistently defeats their purpose. All WP rules are applied according to their spirit not whether someone can dig up what they think is a clever

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per Dicklyon and overwhelming precedent. Any editor is free to propose clear exception rules for creative works, but that is yet to be done and I would probably be in the Oppose camp on that. The community consensus, which has been reaffirmed again and again, is that this comma is purely a style

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If the movie creators really made a choice that they cared about in this case, why do some of the movie posters omit the comma? Even at that time, when the with-comma style was more popular, it was treated as a style issue, not as a decision of the creator, who probably never thought about it.

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The mixed usage in sources, including movie posters and books, and long time stability at the original title without a comma, suggest that there is no difficulty in using WP's consensus style on this one, too. The move to add a comma is at odds with very established consensus on this.

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does not apply to the formal title of a movie, and certainly not to that of a movie about a completely fictitious character. Adding insult to injury, this is the title of one of the most famous and important movie comedies, an iconic masterpiece that has just been inducted into the

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The posters were introduced first by those wanting to move to add a comma. It makes sense to refute their logic by pointing out that other posters are without the comma. No smokescreening, but I agree that posters are a weak source, which is why I cite so many other sources.

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technicality. We don't treat fictional character naming differently from real-world bio subject naming. (We routinely apply the "A. B. not "A.B." spaced-initials rule to fictional character, for example.) This case is not special in any way; there is no IAR to be found here.

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or maybe they would (I see examples of ", Jr." often, as I am now trained, like some monkey in one of those tiny top hats seeking coins, to notice it). Comma-Jr.'s are all over the place, in the past, present, and I assume they will be used by writers far into the future.

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I have listed the non-bio precedents in the sub-section immediately below. And per previous deliverations, it was shown that the vast majority of modern American guides recommend NOT using comma before Jr., starting with the 1979 3rd edition of Strunk & White's

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Rotten Tomatoes is hardly a journalistic site, so there it's a matter of sloppiness and low standards. An encyclopedia is supposed to be better than that. If you want proper standards, look to the Library of Congress. That's the standard to which we should strive.

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Some editors are taking great exception to Nyttend's aggressive, threatening text in closing the discussion above. His assertions are rejected, and he was stepping beyond WP:ADMIN in making them. I have written to this editor directly detailing the objection.

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we have made an error. If you read the original RM discussion, which didn't at that time come to a consensus to keep the comma in our article title (and thus in our treatment of the work title), concrete proof was provided that the work was also spelled

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falsify a movie title—I had assumed that the people opposed to the move were unaware of the proper title. Now that it has been pointed out (National Film Registry, US Copyright Office), it should be clear that the proper title has a comma. —

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There's no reason to be sarcastic because the consensus is leaning toward spelling the title the way it appears onscreen and in every major reference including at the Library of Congress. Upper and lowercase is covered by the site-wide MOS at

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Correct. When the film's title card was provided it showed that the film's name includes the comma. The work of art, in this case one of the most honored films in film history, comes complete with its name, and that's what the closer found.

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You've cited two books without the comma. I've cited two books with a comma, from Princeton University Press and New York Times Publishing. Does a small percentage without the comma exist? Yes, as with everything. But A) that doesn't affect

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this just never happened, right? The producers of the film were not wrong about the name of their own work. The clear fact of the matter is they did not care if the comma was present or not, and used both spellings, as do RS about the film.

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Google search for 'Steamboat Bill Jr.' and found comma after 'Bill' in the search results 9 out of 10 times. We should not expect every source to use comma. In many cases, there will be no 100% consistency in how sources write things.

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WP:DIVIDEDUSE says that, if usage were divided, the least surprising title should be used. Is omitting the comma less surprising than having one for the movie title? Also, American English might still encourage using commas before Jr.

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apply the same article and category naming rules to real and fictional persons, because the result of not doing so would be unacceptably confusing and inconsistent for both readers and editors, and a source of frequent strife.

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doesn't apply here because this is not a biography, that's why I moved it without opening RM discussion. Comma is used in all external links, except rotten tomatoes, and most of the references in the article. According to

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Interesting theory. You don't think that variation just means they didn't think about commas at all? Is there any support in sources for the concept that they cared about that minor styling issue on either one?

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of deliberately falsifying a movie title so that it adheres to a WP:BIO style guideline that does not apply to WP:FILM. I don't understand why that's so important to these editors. Could they explain, please?

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and B) there is no source anyone can have that's more significant than the film itself, its copyright notice, TCM, IMDb and the Library of Congress National Film Registry, just to name a few off the top of my

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It is not "resting", "pining for the fjords" or "stunned"; it "is no more", "has ceased to be", "kicked the bucket, shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible".

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Iconic film, honored worldwide, fictional character, widely mentioned in sources, we can all agree. But a lot of sources don't use a comma. We also don't need to, and might as well follow WP style in

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argues against this change, so why did you support? I don't see the relevance of the other links. And yes, majority vote of sources on style is not enough; WP have a style of its own, by consensus.

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or else" camp narrowly evaded MOS:JR in the old RM. Such a conflict was obviously predictable, and never should have happened. The closer of the RM did a vote count instead of looking at the

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says use available precedents and rules or form a new consensus. However, using real-life names as precedents won't persuade me to switch sides. By the way, what about newest edition?

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per much of the above, principally that WP should be accurate to what a title actually is, and a guideline for biographies should not be applied to titles of works of fiction. -

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include the comma is patent nonsense, pure reality-denialism. There is no rationale for including the here. Neither the RS nor the rights-holders have ever used it consistently

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arguments in favor of removing the comma, which were much stronger. MoS is never trumped by a simple majority of RS's spelling; it has to be a near-uniform consistency in RS.

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is easily available for viewing via above links, while screenshots of its opening credits can be seen at annyas.com/screenshots/updates/steamboat-bill-jr-1928-buster-keaton/.

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Movie posters aren't designed by screenwriters. And, clearly, Keaton and his writers thought enough of the distinction that they specifically titled their movies

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I.e., my saying above "not that it matters". Screenwriters don't create posters. Some of the X-Men movies have posters that aren't the exact movie titles either.

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use the comma, including the film itself, its copyright registration, TCM, IMDb and perhaps most significantly besides the film itself, the Library of Congress'

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I am not acquainted well enough with the naming guidelines to determine whether they apply to this particular case but the film was registered for copyright as

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made. The external film-related links on the page which I've checked, with the one exception cited by Dicklyon, use the comma. On such an iconic artwork,

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doesn't use the comma in the opening title, but does use a comma in the end screen. Other films with ", Jr." that might be affected by this discussion:

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Ergo, the comma should be completely removed from the prose and from our article title. I suspected this new dispute would happen, after the "give me

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In my comments I linked several books, just as authoritative, that do without the comma. This is an issue of editorial style. As I've shown, it is

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to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

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article for the character will conflict with usage in the work title. These kinds of conflicts are inevitable but fortunately not very frequent.

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spelling is right there on the screen in big, bold letters. You don't change direct quotes, and you don't alter titles of works just to suit an

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and in independent reliable sources about the work (cited in bulk in the original RM). When it was active, MoviePosterDb.com images showed that

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The guideline says it's only preferred. Also, the title of the article has a comma. It would be inconsistent to omit it in the article itself.

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This is because we respect the creators' choices, we do not want to misrepresent those choices, and we want to be encyclopedically accurate. --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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There are no precedents. Those are the names of people. This is the name of a film. The film's name has nothing to do with a person. If

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The poster shows a comma after 'Steamboat Bill', so shouldn't the title with a comma be the main article? Unless the poster was wrong.

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without the comma. Let's have some respect for the creative process ... because for whatever reason, Dick Wolf chose to call his show

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We should have different guidelines for name styling depending on whether the person named is fictitious or not? Interesting idea...

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policy that says we be factually accurate, however. We cannot go around changing titles. I'm not sure what the editor is finding at

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In any case, project guidelines don't supersede Knowledge guidelines. And Knowledge's overall policy is that we be accurate. --

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I may actually have no idea what I meant either. I'm just here taking a guess about what the situation was that led to this...

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move that changes title styling against the recommendations of the MOS, and away from what has been stable for over a decade.

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While it is possible they altered the punctuation of the title when the copyright was renewed I find it somewhat implausible.

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This isn't a biography, so the naming convention does not apply. The correct title is with the comma after Bill, per multiple

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I'm glad you asked. Yes, indeed: The guideline that does without the comma is from another project entirely; it's from the

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Is there a project involved here other than WikiProject Film? Which? I've never heard of projects having their own MOS.

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to spell the titles differently. Aside from any issues of factual accuracy, we need to respect their creative choices.--

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does not cover fictional names, it is biographical and pertains to names of real people. Thanks for your observation.

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than WikiProject Film. A project's MOS is for that project; it does not supersede WIkipedia guidelines and policies.--

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This is a wonderful list; thank you. I suspect some have them onscreen and some do not. I think in the case of any

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I'm pretty sure nobody wants to deliberately falsify anything. Are you accusing Rotten Tomatoes of that, too?

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retains a comma (because it is the name of a film) then this has to as well, no matter how many !Votes appear.

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Jeeze, I just noticed the lengthy page move discussion above. So why exactly are we beating this dead horse?

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of the different posters produced for this film were without the comma. The idea that the work title

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guidelines wouldn't allow a biographical article to be named "Mr. Chips". Yet we do allow it for the

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It is a work of fiction with a specific title, not a biography. The film's title card (per copies

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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says preserve any punctuation that is part of the work's title, especially in sentences. --

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No, we should not follow a guideline intended for biographies and people. This is about a

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policy that says we be factually accurate, however. We cannot go around changing titles.--

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Whether it's famous or not is completely irrelevant. Everything on wikipedia is famous (

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For the record, I'm not neutral anymore. See my comment further down in the discussion.

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applied here, it would be OK to move the article to the title with comma after 'Bill'.

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sort consensus to style titles of shows per their original "on-screen" punctuation.

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He has rejected the suggestion to retract his biased close, so it's time to open a

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That's POV speculation. I am not speculating or theorizing but simply stating what

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Exactly. No person, living or dead, is described by the title. The film is named

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The movie uses a comma in the title, so it is appropriate in the cast section.

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Talk:Martin Luther King Jr. National Historic Site#Requested move 28 June 2016

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So should we go ahead and make it all caps, so it will match the title card?

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We even do when the filmmakers' title choice is purposefully ungrammatical:

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And incidentally, not that it matters, but most posters do show the comma:

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in numerous reliable sources; just not letting sources votes on our style.

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Talk:Hank Williams Jr.'s Greatest Hits#Requested move 10 September 2016

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search for "Steamboat Bill, Jr." on the US copyright office search page

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without the comma, both in the copyright holder's marketing materials

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to non-biography article titles have all closed in favor of no comma:

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that says an encyclopedia should knowingly falsify a film's title.--

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Talk:Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Library#Requested move 4 May 2016

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While the default is to go with consistency inside the article,

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again? Absolutely not. See Mandruss above and Dicklyong below.

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as they were involved with the aforementioned move requests on

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No. Who cares what some secondary sources say? Ultimately the

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Talk:Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue#Requested move 01 July 2016

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Hello! This is to let editors know that the featured picture

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Sure, but most posters show a comma in "Sherlock, Jr.", too:

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discrepancy we would go by the Knowledge-wide MOS directive

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Talk:USS Frank E. Petersen Jr.#Requested move 7 April 2016

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In fact, according to your insinuation, the movie article

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doesn't require that there be no comma in every case!) --

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window lands around him. The film inspired the title of

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on 29 December 2016. The result of the move review was

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a

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Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr.

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An image or media file that you uploaded or altered,

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New York Times Essential Library: Children's Movies

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