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from what I would call Stokie, but other's mileage may differ. I agree modern boundaries aren't a lot of use, but the reason so many of these things are fuzzy, is that parish and historical boundaries are amended over the years. (look at Upper & Lower
Clapton - originally the village of Clopton, and turned into a kind of linear village; cf upper & lower Homerton where the distinction has disappeared). There is a problem when the 'granularity' on the Wiki London pages changes so much - from a couple of streets in central Hackney, to a vast area like the Islington or Stokie pages. Ultimately, I think they should represent neighbourhoods that have some kind of distinct identity (whether historical, or modern). Maybe you're right and it's a vacuous discussion, and I (again) appologise if I appear confrontational, it's not my intention.
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Stamford Hill!) I so think sub-dividing further (Gah. Stoke Newington Central? No one ever says that, no one needs it) is a major mistake.
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Like most of the
Hackney articles, I find it a little geographically challenged - although perhaps not as much as most. There should probably be a distinction made between the old metropolitan boro, and what is stictly Stokie. e.g. I associate the New River and the reservoirs more with the area NW of
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Listed buildings: Well I totted them up all the way to the end of Grade 2, and SN came out top. You may note that I didn't explicitly list all the Grade 2 jobbies, how boring do you want a WP entry to get? The
Geffrye is in Shoreditch of course, and Sutton House is in Homerton, Clapton Square is in
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I don't like to delete, and I am working on a rewrite for N16 where I hoped to clear the decks here entirely, but I can't carry on seeing the stooopid Green wellie thing anymore. Ain't just that it's POV in the first place - the 'Green Wellie
Brigade' and 'New Age Hippies' blooming well *hate* each
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If we were to be
Knowledge (XXG)-consistent and introduce this, then we should really alter *the entire* WP organisation for Hackney (and every other London borough - and every administrative area in Britain come to that) to go from the council level to modern wards. Do you really want that? It is
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2) *Geographically challenged?* *All districts* of London without official lines on a map are geographically challenged, and I personally would not count council wards, they change or are renamed on a whim. Just to put it simply, I have never ever heard anyone say they lived in 'New River' or were
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Don't mean to be nitpicky, but did want to flag this one up. Actually I have no problems believing of Stokie being in London. Perhaps
Pevsner did, but it would be helpful to cite a reference. When the article states "...comentators.....have confessed....". Did you have more than one in mind or is
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I'm not going to touch anything until I'm sure of my facts, and as you say, in this case I appear to be just as 'geographically challenged'; and there are plenty of other places in
Hackney that need explanation and revision. Sir Thomas Abney School, is on Fairholt Rd - at Bethune - a good stretch
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1) The claim is not that the majority of listed buildings are in SN. Please read it, it says the majority of Grade II* (that is a 'star') listed buildings are in SN compared with any other single
Hackney district. I have cited the link, if you think it is wrong, why don't you run through the list
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What a strange page ... me I'm a bit dubious about Stokie's claims to contain the largest concentration of listed buildings in Hackney. Central Hackney with St Augustine Tower, St Johns, Town Hall, Old Town Hall, Hackney Empire, Central Hall and Library, etc. etc. and even dear old Homerton with
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I would note, though, with regard to Grade IIs, these are issued frequently as one or two listings to a whole block. I'm not looking it up now, but it is quite likely that Sutton Place only has one or two listings. Similarly there are whole blocks of houses in SN and the rest of Hackney listed
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Stamford Hill - known as New River (ward). Same with the schools list. Maybe it needs a 'Stoke Newington Central' and surrounding areas dealt with separately. (much like Metro boro Hackney got separated up). Post codes are no use, they relate to 1920's post office organisation ...
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Yes, I agree that postcodes are frequently useless, like N1. Other times they are not, and I'd argue that N16 is one, simply because its our most meaningful definition here. (Don't give a monkey's about the school list, by the way, I think it's a waste of space, but I'm an
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Cool! I have many more pix too, but I feel that it needs much much more copy, which I am agonising about. Anyway - I don't think my initial pic works as a thumb (200px) - do you know how I do an 250px thumb? Mebbe I just need to crop in and artwork and link to the
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other everywhere in the UK (right or wrong, they tend to be at opposite poles on the *green* spectrum) - and I have never heard anyone, whether they live in N16 or not, use the term 'Stoke Newington green wellie'. So it's gone.
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I think it's just an overly flowery phrase. In Pevsener's time, I think there would have been some justification - with Stokie's, then, positively village feel. I don't feel that about the area any more. Maybe it's just me!
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Some factual errors : surely Sir Thomas Abbney school is in Stamford Hill, if not beyond? Daniel Defoes is buried in Bunhill Fields, and has a later memorial to him erected there. So, why is his 'gravestone in the library'?
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Clapton (obviously) so none of them can be claimed for Hackney Central, etc etc etc.) But just remove that claim if it bugs you, chucked it in as local colour, I'm deeply fond of all the other districts too.
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Didn't write about Abney's school, that's not my copy. I think that it may be controversial, dunno. But it would be good if someone could add something to the sadly lacking Stamford Hill piece. Go for it.
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Abney stuff - had to go and check, the school was not any further north than the current Abney Park. And you do realise that Abney Park was the site of the original manorial lands of *Stoke Newington*?
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Welcome back, Finn; I didn't make the claim that my 'top of my head' list was exhaustive, but I did divide it up geographically. Found the original claim somewhat surprising, that's all ...
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