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225: 337: 319: 21: 291: 157: 215: 188: 140: 75: 721:"The six musicians had ostensibly" - rather than "ostensibly", I think it would be better to attribute the allegations to a specific body. ie: "The US government reported that the six musicians had etc" This would then lead to "but denied the charges of political involvement" changing to "but the musicians denied the charges of political involvement" 347: 422: 889: 857: 829: 767: 699: 660: 628: 532: 577:
Hi, thanks for starting the review. As a co-creator of the page, I will try to answer your questions. I changed the lead per your suggestion. I'm not sure if we can find any retrospective views that aren't already sourced in the article; the incident of the Symphony Six is recorded in books or
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I've read through the article now. It is well written, properly sourced and covers the event in good detail. There is very little preventing it from meeting the GA criteria as it stands. Most of my comments are more discussion points than anything else. I'll put the review on hold now pending
851:"His correspondence, however, indicates that he supported the board's decision not to rehire the six musicians" - this sounds like an interpretation by a third party. I think would be better to qualify exactly who said this (ie: Toronto Symphony historian Richard S. Warren) 508:
This has been in the GA queue for almost half a year, so it really is high time somebody reviewed it. It's an interesting article that from a superficial look seems to be very well written and researched.
622:"In 1951-52 it received only CA$ 56,000 in donations and grants" - do we know what a typical figure for donations and grants was at this time? A comparison of figures might be stronger than saying "only" 369: 555:
While I can see the event was widely publicised at the time, have there been any retrospective views, most obviously anything post cold-war that would re-evaluate the situation?
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said "a few players were genuinely supportive". That would be worth adding to address the balance and ensure we're reporting from a neutral POV.
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should be expanded to explain the picture's relevance to the article (ie: it's the venue the Symphony Six were supposed to be playing at)
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I reworded it as a statement, not as an attribution. I searched a lot but couldn't find a statement from the US immigration department.
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Orchestras sell subscriptions for the season and for concert series, much like baseball teams sell season tickets. I added a link for
650:"a few of them even left the orchestra to work for the CBC" - I think "even" is redundant here. I'm also unsure about the wikilink to 518:
I'm not sure the term "leftist" is suitable for a GA, it could be interpreted as being disparaging. Perhaps saying "being involved in
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Thank you. I also put in the abbreviation, TSO, as calling it the Toronto Symphony Orchestra over and over was getting unwieldy.
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retrospectively called the event a "witch hunt". I wonder if that's worth adding to the article as a soundbite?
740:"Keetbaas could not recall any association with left-wing groups" - I can't find this claim in the source given 522:" would be better, but even then, I can't help thinking even that is just a euphemism for "being involved in 820: 690: 474: 352: 20: 478: 174: 90: 53: 987:
Thanks for the quick response. All the issues look resolved, so I can now pass the review. Well done.
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That's fine - if sources don't exist we can't use them. I just thought it was worth bringing it up.
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Source: "Dirk said he had never been connected with any organization whatsoever," Budd added.
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Everyone knows McCarthyism was a witch hunt. I added, instead, a quote from
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mentioned in "50th anniversary reviews" as a historical occurrence.
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