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I was just heading here to ask the same thing. Sublimation is a phase change from solid to gas, and a liquid cannot sublime. Perhaps they meant that the salt begins to dissociate into potassium vapor and chlorine gas rather than boil at those temperatures. Would someone with a better knowledge of
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Building on what was already said, I've clarified the LD50 somewhat. LD50 is determined on a population basis, and the prior wording ("for a 50% chance of death") made it seem like a given individual would have a 50% chance of mortality. Not true - if that individual is somewhere lower on the curve,
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I have clarified this by stating what the result of this action would be in the article. Hopefully this statement will then be correctly understood by many more readers. Jeff G then reverted it and requested " if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit
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This article as of 2020.10.01 carries this: "While SOP typically sells at a premium to MOP, the vast majority of potash fertilizer worldwide is sold as MOP." The first part of this sentence is a complete mystery to me. Is it a
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Hey, I've updated the solubility to look more like the other pages. It seems like somebody took your percentages and simply wrote the wrong units next to them. I hope this version has it right.
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