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There is more than one reason why this addition is open to objections. First, I cannot see much encyclopedic value in informing the user about what items the online store offers. Frankly, this is quite an eccentric angle to determine the character of a website and consequently hardly found in similar
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Nothing has changed since the last spin 'round the block on this issue. The template lists the blog under the blog section; clearly the blog is part of
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since you've reverted it twice. Your comparison with Amazon is just silly. This seems to be more to do with your posts above, especially where you say it "does not define itself as islamophobe and it does not share any categories with
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Actually that's not true. I gave my reason in the edit summary, and you read my post above that it was at NPOVN (where I also give my reason) before you deleted it. Please stop this. If a consensus develops at NPOVN that it should be removed, fine, then it can be removed. I wouldn't expect the blog
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Ok, I've restored it as I've found that the first part of the article in WDR that you mention above actually starts off with the sentence "" Islamophobic and proud of it ", steht auf T-Shirts , Tassen und
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The motto "Islamophobic and proud of it" pretty much establishes PI's position. I don't understand the hand-waving hyperbolic reaction to this template. In Gun Powder Ma's most recent reverts, both the motto and the template were removed. The motto is certainly one of PI's, so why remove it? The
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to be helpful; we have a secondary source saying just as much. In the end you got what you wanted – buttressing the controversial
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Argumentation der VerfassungsschĂĽtzer: "Schon alleine mit der Selbstdarstellung" - pro-amerikanisch, pro-israelisch, fĂĽr Grundgesetz und Menschenrechte - grenze sich PI "von Anti-Islam-Seiten aus dem
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points to the secondary sources which make a big deal out of the slogan "Islamophobic and proud of it". I don't care one bit whether this slogan is official or not; it is part of the website's culture and it is very well sourced.
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