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Findley gave them an interview, and I used the article that was written about the interview. While vanguard is partisan, liberal, and bias, they still have enough credibility to show that they wouldn't lie about an interview taking place, cephaministry is so unknown and cryptic that they don't even have that kind of credibility, If they become more well known and respected that will obviously change.-
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Playboy, quite the logical jump I must say. You were the one that described the website as pure propaganda. Unless they lied about the interview (which I guess even this you will dispute if it doesn't fit in with your POV), it is still fair game.
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