Talk:Pavel Florensky - Knowledge (XXG)

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as an anti-Semite,to apologize for any trouble, with its misrepresentations, and for the personal loss of time better spent on other matters, which my synthesis of the material on this available to me sparked off. Unfortunately, on Knowledge (XXG), we cannot engage in personal research, or present our own interpretations of sources, but are strictly bound to the letter of reliable academic sources, at least one of which evaluated Dr Hagemeister as the person who authenticated the identity behind the documented signed Ω (whereas, as his essay translated into Russian, n.48 above, indicated, was authenticated by Abbot Andronik). Indeed a further shackle is that many cannot access directly, as is best practice, the complete original works cited, but only rely on what searching google books reveals, in so far as they are directly linkable to allow others to verify the accuracy of how such texts are reported. From an academic perspective this is, to put it lightly, parlous if not 'insane'. All the more reason to thank Dr Hagemeister for his timely elucidations on a key point.

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why a Knowledge (XXG) article on Florensky should not mention what is frequently mentioned in the specialist literature on Florensky. As to a special section on anti-Semitism, it is all over hundreds of articles, and my adoption of it here is not anomalous. Thirdly, the ritual murder case was a fundamental issue for that period, and upwards of 60,000 Jews subsequently were murdered in pogroms some years later in the Ukraine and elsewhere, in a country that produced the Protocols of Zion. Contextually therefore Florensky's use of a highly anti-Semitic theory, nolens volens, fed into that toxic atmosphere and one cannot give an account of his life without mentioning this. If anything, the question is not whether a separate section is undue, but why editors here are laggard in fleshing out a longer article on Florensky's life and thought, much of which had nothing to do with anti-Semitism. I see huge evidence on Knowledge (XXG) of removalists, and little show for constructive building of articles which is what the policy you quoted advises (

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to examine, and if true, add it to the article. Whatever my personal feelings of sympathy for him and admiration for his gifts, they must not interfere with the correct and comprehensive documentation in the article of his views regarding Jews. I found several sources confirming this, and added them. You protest. On what grounds? Antisemitism is a fundamental litmus test for the 'spiritual' (or moral, if you like) integrity of anyone in the Western tradition. Where attested for someone of Florenskii's stature, it goes in as it does affect how one will read several ideas he had, which, in the absence of an awareness of it as a constituent element in his thinking, would otherwise not be read correctly.

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Secondly, and more pertinently for this case, we can think of NPOV as a range, not a point. Suppose we think of something as NPOV if the article is in -0.05 to +0.05 range. In this model, even a pure POV edit can still make an article stay in the NPOV range. In this case, the original article mentioned nothing about the anti-Semitism, so perhaps it can be thought of as +0.05. Mentioning anti-Semitism in a long section pushed it too far into negative. But some people are happy with a small mention of anti-Semitism, provided it stays within -0.05.

730: 3113:, which has no escape clause applicable to this case. Of course, this is not an argument for deleting Pyman's apologetics entirely—only for balancing them and moving them to the footnote. (My analogy here would be writing blood libel columns for Der Sturmer during Kristallnacht and then claiming it was nothing more than a philosophical exercise.) I understand your exasperation with this "dispute", but there is no longer any pragmatic reason to compromise the reliable sourced text. The consensus is now 150: 31: 2104:

object to what I write. This extends to AE/AI forums. I see this is becoming something of a fashion. For most of my contributions over a dozen topics, I've rarely see my additions reverted, except by the same people, with the same I/P area interest, and it spills over even to topics like this: the fashion has resumed with some intensity over the last three weeks, and it comes from editors without any notable content contribution to Knowledge (XXG). Don't tell me you got here by chance.

1877:, rather than suspected? He did not sign them and tried to hide his authorship (if that was him). Then, these unsigned/unofficial/suspected writings could be noted more prominently, but once again, Florensky is not known/notable for his antisemitism. If we had a sufficiently detailed description of his work/publications on this page (now we do not), then including this more prominently would be OK, but this seem to be out of balance in present version - I agree with user Afterwriting. 750: 2373:

and worse arguments). I am not neutral and I have no knowledge of this Florensky, so I am not commenting on the arguments and consensus. Afterwriting seems to want to keep out the section altogether, while MVBW wants to (at most) integrate the section with earlier content and not have a separate section (correct me if I'm wrong). I see that an RfC has been opened. The header is too vague for my liking, but hopefully something will come out of it.

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Anti-Semitism should note the following in the body: Florensky held thoroughly anti-semitic views; that Florensky's contributed blood-libel screeds to Rozanov's volume in the context of the Beilis case and the pogroms. I can't read Pyman due to preview restrictions, but your inclusion of these apparent apologetics at the expense of all other commentary may very well violate NPOV. If that judgement belongs anywhere, it is in a footnote,

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scholarship or otherwise. I don't like to hurry, unlike reverters, when there's controversy, but I' ll do a better draft. The only think hindering me is how to format in this medium a footnote. No doubt the magisterial editing prowess of Tom Reedy could fix it, if nobody else wants to. I wish to retain all of that sourced information so readers can follow it up (there's tons more of course, but we have enough)

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covered. The third point is that I am not impatient. I usually like to use work that has been subject to peer review. Of course you are yourself welcome to suggest what in that paper merits consideration or addition. I sometimes wonder why, in most articles I work, I seem to be expected to do the legwork, while others sit round checking, carping or reverting. In any case I've added the reference to the page.

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article is "too short" is extremely weak. Almost any significant relevant addition to an expanding article can be dismissed as momentarily "disproportional". Florensky is sufficiently notable and complex for this article to be expanded two-fold in the future, and at that point the stuff on anti-Semitism will no longer be so "disproportional". Consider that if we

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from the Caucasus'. Both Florensky and Rozanov have been described as sufficiently extreme in this regard that they incited direct violence against Jews. Responding to claims that Florensky used Rozanov to publish his own views under the latter's name in order to avoid giving a public impression he, Florensky, was associated with the

2415:, and also an anti-Semite, as is clearly shown by reference to reliable sources during the discussion below. The question before the RfC was how much weight to give to his anti-Semitism. It does not help that the standard English language source, which is Avril Pyman's biography, whitewashes the matter to a certain extent. 1690:? If not, such private matters deserve to be mentioned in a book about him, but undue in a brief biography page about him (such as that one). I also checked refs. Text tells: "Both Florensky and Rozanov have been described as sufficiently extreme in this regard that they incited direct violence against Jews." But this is a 98: 1698:. It tells that Florensky held antisemitic views, but does not tell that he actually incited any violence against them. Of course writing by Rosanov were antisemitic, but they were signed by his name, and it actually remains controversial/unknown if Florensky contributed to them, although this possibly could be noted. 3295:

correspondence between Florensky and Rozanov (V.V. Rozanov: Literaturnye izgnanniki (Moskva-St. Peterburg, 2010). If you read German, you may also have a look at a book I co-edited on that subject: Appendix 2. Materialien zu Pavel Florenskij (Berlin-Zepernick, 2001) with translations of all the relevant material.

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1) I never pretended to have “detected” Florensky’s letters to Rozanov, although I knew them long before they were published in 1998 by Nikoliukin in Rozanov’s Collected Works, nor was it me who “corroborated” their authenticity. This was sufficiently done by the leading Russian Florensky expert (and

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Berlin 2001 Band 2 Kontext, Berlin 59-73 pp.62-64.)This letter (in a slightly different form) was then published in the correspondence of V.V. Rozanov and P.Florenskii. See V. V. Rozanov, Sobranie sochinenii. Literaturnye izgnanniki. Kniga vtoraia (Moskva-Sankr-Petersburg:Respublika; Rostok, 2010),

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The way in which inclusion of information in this article about Florensky's alleged antisemitism is currently under dispute and attempts to seek consensus are not proving useful. I would appreciate responses from uninvolved editors and administrators on the relevant content policies and the consensus

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The triggering event for the RfC was when an editor attempted, somewhat overenthusiastically, to add a heading and a whole section on the subject. In context this is undue. The matter remains disputed but, weighing the arguments presented according to the sources that back them up, I would say that

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A & C Black 2010 p. 104.) Both Florensky and Rozanov have been described as sufficiently extreme in this regard that they incited direct violence against Jews. (Vladimir M. Paperni, 'A Philo-Semitic Narrative in the Anti-Semitic discourse: The Case of Vyacheslav Ivanov,' in Alexander Kulik (ed.)

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As to including Pyman, well, in my reading, Florensky is a classical theological anti-Semite, no ifs and buts. The evidence is overwhelming and attempts to attenuate it smack of Christian self-defensiveness. But since Knowledge (XXG) takes WP:NPOV in terms of giving due weigh to all sides, and Pyman

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Thanks for the advice, but from recent challenges to my editing over several pages it appears obvious that anything I edit will be tracked and challenged and subject to an irrational attrition of patience, regardless of the content. I am just targeted, that's all. The issue is basically very simple.

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with the other comment about Florensky's anti-Semitism reaching the level of "inciting violence"—that seems genuinely NPOV. Being an anti-semite is one thing, inciting pogroms and developing a whole theoretical apparatus for use by pogromists is quite another. But again, all this commentary belongs

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that you used for sourcing. Yes, it qualify as academic RS. Yes, it mentioned the alleged antisemitism of Florensky. But it mentioned it on only a couple of pages (whole book about him is around 300 pages). Such is relative significance of this. Same should be on this page. This should be one phrase

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As is almost invariably the case on Knowledge (XXG), editors get highly focused on controversy and force the expenditure of huge amounts of virtual space over a few lines, when often, as here, the article requires major expansion generally. For example, there's little on his scientific work, or that

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You are turning a dispute about content into a hyperbolic agony theatre with me as violent protagonist. I made a detailed sourced edit. You immediately reversed it. I met your brief talk page objection that it might not be noticeable. A dozen sources mentioning this means it is noticed, and notable.

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I was given a copy of Florenskii's work 'The column and the foundation of truth' some years ago, read it and got interested in him. I edited the article regarding his tragic end, and indeed admired the man. But some time ago, I saw indications he was a theological anti-Semite, and kept that in mind

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I have moved the following recent edit from the article pending discussion. It is not clearly obvious to me that Florensky's apparent antisemitism is a sufficiently notable aspect of his life and thought as to to need a whole section devoted to it. As regretable as it is, such antisemitism would not

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I can't speak for others but I would like, and I expect the sentiment would be shared by several editors, to thank Professor Hagemeier for his clarifications. At the same time I would like, as the person who wrote up the original edit indicating Florensky is now widely and authoritatively regarded

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4) The question of Florensky’s anti-Semitism may be an open one for some people. For me it seems to be clear that somebody who accuses the Jews of deliberately poisoning the blood of the Gentiles (see Florensky’s letter to Rozanov, 26 October 1913) is not a Judeophobe in the old Christian tradition

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3) Since then, a lot has been published concerning the question of Florensky’s anti-Semitism. See, e.g., the substantial contribution by Dominic Rubin: Holy Russia, Sacred Israel: Jewish-Christian Encounters in Russian Religious Thought (Brighton, MA: Academic Studies, 2010). See also the revealing

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MVBW is correct in that it was not Hagemeister who authenticated the letters. But he seems to be playing fast and loose with the sources when he says it is "tentative"; I see no textual support for this assertion. If he has any, he should quote the sources directly. I think the short mention of his

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is policy: the responsibility for getting consensus rests on those wishing to add content. I see 3 to 2 in favour of the content, which is rather hard to interpret as consensus one way or another. UNDUE is rather in the eye of the beholder and there's no real right or wrong (though there are better

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reasons, based on WP policies, for the repeated removal of the content. It is not sufficient for the removalists to just continue to repeat that there is no consensus. The content that was removed adheres to WP policies. The content satisfies V, NOR and NPOV. The inclusion of the content appears to

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and other policies it is not acceptable for disputed material to be added back to articles while there is a consensus discussion process still in place. Therefore this section must remain out of the article until there is an actual consensus. This is a policy matter so must be followed. "Consensus"

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Before I edit, I often have trouble parsing closely good sources, to try and figure out what the author said, because (s)he wrote in a way that lends itself to ambiguous reading. I will probably drop an example of this at Black Sunday, 1937 presently, if the book I'm, reading allows me time off. To

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Cornell University Press, 1997 pp.75-97, pp.90-91 & n.38.) For his biographer Avril Pyman, Florensky contributed two essays to Rozanov's tract, a critique of Daniil Khvolson's thesis that blood sacrifice did not form part of ritual practice in ancient Israel, and a 'Letter from the Caucasus'.

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I have not yet browsed Rubin's book, but I have read the section on Florensky in Svetlikova and it also seems like an interesting attempt to place the issue of antisemitism in the broader context of Florensky's (and his milieu's) thought. Indeed, if we can contextualize the issue sufficiently, the

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may be (by fuckwits) cited as proof he didn't think he wanted violence, but in the preface to Израиль в прошлом, настоящем и будущем, again with the cipher , now identified by Hagemeister as Florensky's, he raves on about the Jewish question being the central issue of world history. If Adolf read

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describe the issue in two sentences in the body, and relegate the remaining key details and sources to a footnote (literally). That way much of quality info is kept, but appears less prominent. The argument for striking or toning down impeccably-sourced and incontrovertible information because the

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is answered by comparing wiki practice on comparable articles. There is nothing undue about noting a theologian's anti-Semitism, particularly when it is theologically grounded. The problem is not this brief section. The problem is expanding the article to make a larger exposition of both his life

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above. I have requested counsel from an impeccably neutral editor, and a third party, I have added a further 2 academic sources to underline the notability, for specialists, of this aspect of his thought to Florensky's biography. In the meantime, you keep repeating exactly what you briefly said in

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Topic notability is established by the frequency of mentions of a theme in reliable sources. I have read over a dozen sources from specialists on Russian culture and thought which mention Florensky's anti-Semitism. For the academic literature therefore, this is notable. You must explain therefore

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acknowledges the help of a friend whom historians suggest was probably Florensky. For his biographer Avril Pyman, Florensky contributed two essays to Rozanov's tract, a critique of Daniil Khvolson's thesis that blood sacrifice did not form part of ritual practice in ancient Israel, and a 'Letter

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Okay. Thanks. I hadn't read the notes. The anonymous Greek sign Svetlikova mentions, as do others is, according to her omega, ω, or the capitalized form Ω, I'll not attribute to him, then, but since Pyman says he is the foremost 'Western' expert on Florensky, perhaps it could be rephrased in that

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Fine by me. My idea was to make another stab and put the draft, like the earlier one, here on the workpage while the RfC continues. I think we have consensus that 2-3 lines goes into the body of the text, accompanied by a note conserving the relevant details of the scholarly literature. I' m busy

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Due to the number of debates we've been having across pages, I sometimes check your contribs these days and that's how I got here. It looks like the rather extreme nature of his anti-semitism is not properly specified in your shortened version (though perhaps it was over-emphasized in long one, I

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to precipitate action against Jews' )Pyman p.104). Maybe, but in a country of such obsessive pogromic violence against Jews, not to realize the impact of one's words is tantamount to being, at least in religious terms, morally culpable of complicity. That's my view, anyway, which doesn't count. I

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There are a number of references indicated that his mother was an Armenian. So far I have not seen a single reference indicated she was Georgian. Please provide refs and we would put by such and such refs she was Georgian. Or if the new refs would certainly trump the old ones, we would remove the

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This is exactly what is meant to be happening. Instead we have some editors who are stubbornly refusing to follow a proper consensus process and who want to insist on including and reinstating disputed information by ignoring the relevant consensus policies and processes. Apart from ignoring the

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bear the onus of improving other sections of the page before I add material on antisemitism. I see no evidence here of the editors who object to my latest contribution having any knowledge of Florensky, or that period. Thirdly, you turn up systematically, in the most diverse pages, and revert or

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Oxford University Press (USA) 2012 p.129:'Though he offered no opinion on the specific case of Beilism, who was indeed innocent and eventually acquitted Florensky suggested that it was entirely possible that this ancient ritual could, perhaps in isolated instances, still be practiced somewhere,

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My reasons for removing the information for discussion were adequately expressed. If I was protesting then I would have just reverted you. But I didn't do this. The issue is not whether he held antisemitic views, but whether these were an especially notable feature of his life. A couple of brief

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This is too meta and probably useless, but since I don't know anything about Florensky, this will have to do. The argument about NPOV isn't correct. Let's say the edit is about issue X. Firstly, that edit can render all the different aspects about X fairly, so the overall article is still NPOV.

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Yes, sure, there are specific sources that make specific claim. Is that a notable claim that needs to be included (as a big section!) in a brief biography of this person who is notable for something very different? No, it's not. Maybe it should be noted very briefly. I think this is a matter of

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I read the source. My usual practice is to cite books by specialists, mainly academics, under major university or mainstream publication imprint. The second point is WP:Undue, which is what the other editors are citing. The material here is substantial, some of it going over old ground already

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Thanks. Okay, we'llo cut down Pyman's vapid claim. Don't need to persuade me its as useless as tits on a bull. I deal with humongous amounts of sources that have to go in but, technically, let's say, in terms of standard quality academic standards, don't bear up. Wiki's not the real world, of

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Cornell University Press, 2004 p.177.) Pyman counters that Florensky expounded his views in a climate where, regarding the Beilis case, Russian liberals on the one hand excoriated the country's backwardness while groups like the Black Hundreds went to the other extreme of instigating pogroms:

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is an RS on the topic of Florensky's anti-semitism, something the—presumably unbiased, reliable and world-famous—T.P. Sergeeva (who??) critiquing him does not even mention. It's actually pretty comical how she just glosses over that little point. Does some conference paper by a random PhD in

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2) I was probably the first to initiate a discussion on Florensky’s anti-Semitism at the International Florensky Conference in Potsdam in 2000. My paper was then published in the conference proceedings and an authorized Russian translation appeared under the title Novoe srednevekov’e Pavla

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Since the Russian article has had a paragraph, stable for years, on the issue of his anti-Semitism, we shouldn't be bickering here about inclusion/exclusion. A compromise was offered - a few sentences, with details in a footnote. All that is needed is to craft those sentences. I suggest

2955:, authorship of these writings by Florensky was not found or established by Hagemeister. He simply tells it and refer to other single Russian language publication that he thinks established it, but does not explain how exactly they established it. Therefore, telling "Recent research by 1558:: You made a number of totally unjustified and false comments based on nothing except your own insistence that your edits should be accepted and you also refused to follow several accepted consensus policies. That is both arrogance and aggressive. You have no excuse for your behaviour. 35: 2717:, BALASP is of course sheer nonsense. If an article begins at "NPOV" (in your static sense) and someone makes just about any non-minor edit, NPOV is violated. The horror! Revert, wikilawyer, stonewall, repeat and call an emergency meeting, repeat. What a great way to help the project! 1317:

policies do not apply to content within articles. Secondly, while the quoted information indicates that Florensky was anti-Semitic it does not indicate to me that this was such a significant aspect of his life that it requires a whole section devoted to it. For guidelines on this read

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by Hagemeister (sorry, I prefer Russian), it becomes abundantly clear that Florensky was a monster, a racist of the worst kind with convictions of Nazi, someone with very low level of culture and no moral values. However, English language books about Florensky tell a different story.

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be supported by at least 3 editors (Nishidani, Guccisamsclubs, and myself). The person(s) repeatedly removing the content need to offer significantly more than appearing to only repeat 'there is no consensus.' They need to support their opposition to the inclusion of the content with

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like Eliot's poetry, and quite a bit of Pound's, but they had in different degrees, an anti-Semitic strain, the latter assumed maniacal depths. I'm interested in Florensky's life and thinking, which was creative, and courageous, but he too had more than a whiff of the pathology.

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Florenskogo, in: Issledovaniia po istorii russkoj mysli. Ezhegodnik za 2003 god. Pod red. M.A. Kolerova (Moskva: Modest Kolerov, 2004), pp. 86-106. The publication in “Zvezda” (which, unfortunately, was released on the web) is a pirated one based on an unauthorized translation.

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is his major English biographer, that limp, let's say obtuse defense, seemed to be obligatory per policy, even if it sticks in my craw. As to instigation , well he is an Augustinian 'preservationist' - let the Jews be preserved in their disgracefulness to bear witness to the

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It's from a serious journal, so it's very much an RS. The only problem is that it's not EL. Generally speaking, there is no ban on non-EL sources and people cite even the crappiest foreign sources all the time. But since the source in question is a premier literary journal

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Indeed, the two people objecting have contributed almost zero to the content of the text. I have written 25% of it over 2 years. You are complaining about one addition without having worked constructively on the article. When I noted that, you imply in your answer that

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personal POV: people who edit in ARPBIA area tend to pay a lot of attention to the question if someone was/was not mentioned in a few sources as a semite/antisemite. Yes, that may be important on pages about people who were notable as antisemites like Rozanov.

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It would greatly help matters if you could try to make comments which are not so arrogant and aggressive in their tone. I removed your comments for valid policy reasons for discussion and that it what we should now be doing in a civil manner. The onus, as per

1349:). I have restored the reflist template, because it does not disturb formatting. All you need do is write underneath the reflist marker. It is there to show the evidential basis you are stubbornly removing, so that third parties can judge without wasting time. 979:. Rozanov's 'The Tactile and Olfactory Attitudes of the Jews towards Blood' acknowledges the help of a friend whom historians suggest was probably Florensky.(Judith Deutsch Kornblatt 'Russian Religious Thought and the Kabbala,' in Bernice Glatzer Rosenthal, 1058:. It should not have been restored. That was not acceptable. We don't include any information we want simply because it can be sourced, it must also be notable as a significant aspect of the person's life. This has not so far been demonstrated in this case. 3096:

Pyman's apparent attempt to draw some equivalence between "liberal" and "Black Hundred" attempts to "exploit" the case is ... an unfortunate turn of phrase, let's just say that. As for Pyman's substantive claim hat Florensky's intervention was in no way a

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me that bolded language however unambiguously claims what I wrote it says, 'direct instigation against Jews' means incitement to harm them, in any normal construal of English. Pyman who gives the evidence but is defensive on this arguing 'it was not a

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Then dispute the damn material. No consensus not a valid reason for a lack of consensus, no matter how many time you repeat it. When you pair that with edit-warring, utter refusal to discuss sources, and insults—it's disruptive editing in purest form.

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Indeed, that is exactly the problem. This page tells almost nothing about his scientific and other notable work, but you included (without any consensus) a huge section about his alleged antisemitism, which received only very minor coverage in sources

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That elided Pyman's defense of what is, even in the form you boil it down to, a very serious charge, which cannot be mitigated by saying'some historians'. All historians admit Florensky made anti-Semitic comments. Pyman simply tries to contextualize

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which merits far more attention that editors have given it. Your edits have consisted of stylistic retouches or a major revert. I'd be happy to pitch in with my own additions to a section on that volume, if you too roll up your sleeves to work on

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I see. Your comment above ("Trying to argue the material out of the article because everybody else at the time had similar views") is an example of improper synthesis. Each separate phrase by Afterwriting was correct, but your synthesis was not.

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Florensky is regarded by several sources as being thoroughly anti-Semitic, though others consider his remarks evidence of naivity.Florensky had a tendency to think of ideas in racial terms,His private letters, written at the time of the

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evaluates Florensky’s position regarding Jews as, contextually for the period, a middle way between liberal critics who excoriated at the time of the incident Russia’s backwardness and the behaviour of instigators of pogroms like the

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It does not matter how much anyone (you, me, whoever) worked on page X. I also did not ask you to do anything at all. I only fixed the problem and explained why on article talk page. This is not only my opinion (see discussion above).

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Thanks for the link. If only half of the new material there is correct, then his anti-Semitism is understated. That cannot be used in the form given, but if a reliably published work does document this closely, then drop the page a

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Springer, 2013 n.47 :The letter was signed with “ω”. Its authorship was authenticated by Michael Hagemeister (Michael. Hagemeister,'Pavel Florenskij und der Ritualmordvorwurf,' in Michael Hagemeister, and Torsten Metelka (eds.),

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there is a rough consensus that the single paragraph and footnote suggested by Nishidani is appropriate. I will add the paragraph to the article with my next edit, and leave it to others to compose the footnote. My next edit

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anti-semitism and his objectively pogromist writings can be omitted (Afterwriting) or toned down (MVBW). Doing so means violating multiple RS' on on the issue of Florensky's anti-semitism. The best solution, in my view, is to

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This RfC concerns Pavel Florensky, a Russian priest, intellectual and thought leader influential during the First World War and the Interbellum (at least until his arrest for anti-Soviet activities in 1933). Florensky was an

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versions of pages must comply with WP:NPOV. This can be achieved either by adding more sourced materials or by removing something "undue". Either way is good if it helps to improve the page by complying better to WP:NPOV.

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I stated that that work does not yet get over the RS highbar. But, as to the rest of your queries, as to whether Florensky wrote the specific articles at the Beilis period, the sources provided above conclude he did. Read

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You create problems for yourself and others because of your own inadequate editing and your churlish behaviour. You need to do something about these things instead of blaming others for trying to make improvements.

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BRILL 2014 pp.93-108 p.105.) Responding to claims that Florensky used Rozanov to publish his own views under the latter's name, in order to avoid giving a public impression he, Florensky, was associated with the

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It appears that Florensky indeed had antisemitic views, as follows from his private letters to Rozanov. However, he is mostly notable as a philosopher, scientist and writer. Did he advocate anything antisemitic

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I wish that, at least once, when you trail me to a page, you'd exercise sufficient judgement to at least once suggest that I am not, as it would otherwise appear in your view, invariably on the wrong side.

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Russian Knowledge (XXG) says he was shot for propagating mysticist ideas that heaven located in superluminar velocities which he described in his book under impression of Einstain's Theory of Relativity.--

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BTW, Nishidani, if you are relying on google books/amazon/your library for all your research here, drop a message on my talk page and I'll suggest other places to look. Although I pretty sure you already

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With regard to the objection that a section is inappropriate, I said above my impression was that Florensky was a theological antisemite. let me illustrate with a few wiki parallels. We deal with that at

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We always have these source conflicts (that often revolve round different details - we are dealing with several anonymous documents). The sentence can be modulated, along the lines of what Pyman writes

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dunno). And his anti-Semitism does not appear mild or couched (like Heidegger's). It also appears that the consensus among historians about his authorship of objectively pogromist screeds is now more

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He defended himself vigorously against the imputations until he realized that by showing a willingness to admit them, though false, he would enable several acquaintances to resecure their liberty

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Having beliefs regarding the widespread accusation of Blood Libel against jews in a time of increasing antisemitism in the world is not the same as "having a hatred of jews" - or anti-semitism.

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When I read that, I remained skeptical, and considered, as is often the case, that the scholar in question was lazily overplaying their hand way beyond what the evidential cards would allow.

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your various revert summaries, and have not responded in detail to anything. Citing policy without illustrating where it is being ignored is mere flag-waving. Focus, please on the substance.

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reliable sources cannot be manipulated to reflect our skepticism, so I wrote 'have been described' in order to at least caution the reader that this is in the record, whatever its merits.

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It might be a good idea to wait a little bit for more comments on the RfC. The RfC bot is currently not working due to a Knowledge (XXG)-wide issue. Hopefully, it will be fixed soon.

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sounds, from the description, like an important source to contextualize his anti-Semitism within the wider issue of Christian thought. I hope editors can follow up on it.

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I'd also like to thank Prof. Hagemeister for clearing up the confusion and recommending some key sources. Point 4 is clearly an important one and worth mentioning here.

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in the footnote, in my opinion. Finally, I would urge you to move all of your supporting sources and much of the elaboration to the footnote, otherwise your material

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editing behaviour. Policies are in place for good reasons and all editors are required to follow them. So do so. There is no urgency for this dispute to be resolved.

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OK. I checked it. I think this section on Abbas page is way too long and misleading. For example, it incorrectly summarizes info provided on the main page,

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Sorry, should not have taken MVBW's word for it—I am no longer sure that Hagemeister says what MVBW claims (will post something shortly to that effect).

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than you make it out to be. I'm going to leave this page alone, since I don't intend to study the topic further, but urge you both to look at my link.

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I provided bundles of info, and while I am the one making suggestions, compromises, it won't find any acceptance. That's not the point of the 'game.'

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way. In my forced compromises I was forced to cut out the important details, like its context in the Beilis case, so I'll add that in. Cheers

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I do not usually intervene in debates on the internet, but given the repeated references to my work, I would like to clarify a few points:

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Pyman more or less thus contextualizes Florensky's remark. I too agree with Guccisamsclubs's compromise, but let's wait for further input.

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Vladimir M. Paperni, 'A Philo-Semitic Narrative in the Anti-Semitic discourse: The Case of Vyacheslav Ivanov,' in Alexander Kulik (ed.)

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This was an interesting RfC to read and research, and thank you for a well-conducted discussion. I hope this helps, and all the best—

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Yes, sure, this can be noted except that it was not Hagemeister who established authorship by F. - according to Hagemeister himself

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I asked around for third opinions, I asked you to respond to several queries. Nothing. Just a repeat of your original objection.

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of framing the Jews as “perfidi Iudei” (who will repent and be saved at the end of the times), but a modern racist anti-Semite.

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The valuable notification given above, that the Zvesda piece is a pirated copy, means we cannot use that here. Dominic Rubin's

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was replying to MVBW, not you, in the previous comment. Their indentation is out of whack. They can correct me, if I'm wrong.

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grandson) Abbot Andronik (see Nikoliukin’s edition p. 438) and has never been questioned, as far as I know, by any scholar.

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Florensky he claims, did not regard rituals of sacrifice involving blood in themselves to be superstitious. (Pyman p.104.)

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I think the evidence demonstrates that Florensky's anti-semitism was a significant aspect of his life. In other words,

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is satisfied, by multiple sources. I proved it was something that was the object of considerable research and comment.

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have been uncommon in Florensky's time and society. What do others think about including such information in this way?

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to other aspects of his biography. Hence your version violates WP:NPOV. Brief mentioning of this (as I did) is enough.

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You didn't fix a problem. I added content, 2 editors concur, 2 editors object. 2 in 5. Your edit didn't fix anything.

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Anti-Semitism of both of these Russian philosophers reached the level of direct instigation to violence against Jews)

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Looking at several RS in your version, it appears that authorship by Florensky is actually tentative and not a fact.

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trail. OK. I included this in a more relevant section that tells abour relationships between Florensky and Rozanov.

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by Wishes shortly after his scholarship was cited here, is of course no virgin when it comes to Florensky studies

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Somebody keeps adding a false antisemitism diatribe about Florensky. No doubt someone with a dog in this fight.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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supporting secondary or primary sources for that claim? I ask because Pyman's apologetics fall squarely under

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Penn State Press, 2010 p.167.) Florensky’s influence has been detected in the vociferous anti-Semitism of

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at a time when pogroms and people could be murdered on suspicion Jews killed Christians for their blood.

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I checked my file and I got that phrase about authentication by Hagemeister in Ilona Svetlikova,

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anyhow, so it will take some time, unless anyone else would like the make a proposal. Thanks

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this "proportionality principle" chop significant contribs—making sure to bicker endlessly,

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I don't understand what this part means and it does not appear to have a citation

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wouldn't have strayed far from intuiting a final solution to the 'knot'.

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perhaps even in Russia, even as late as the twentieth century.'

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