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Bulgarian sentence and the interview was done with Bulgarian journalist and Bulgarian TV). Even though he claimed that he need to wash the dirt to read the word Bulgarian on the plate, all of a sudden the guy who called him without washing the plate read the same word before him. Then he is saying he took the plate and took it to a field to take pictures. He was small person, he took the plate of 500 kilos and walk with it across Bitola? And you are telling me that such person in late 90'es gave an interview to explain what he was back in those days and we need to believe that and not all of his documents and book printed in 1991? You can keep your biased sources at your local community this is wikipedia working with relevant sources. But, probably you already know that. --
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Bulgarian occupation?!? Are you kidding me? this is your
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Communist era. If we are listening to his "words"- he is also saying that he speaks Bulgarian perfectly and naturally (but in your own links of
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Bulgarian and even to go to Bulgarian schools. But Pande was not allowed, ha? If the government was as you claim it was, they would for sure proclaim him Bulgarian in order to get him more years into jail - but that didn't happened - therefore
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