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classification section. I'm not sure I can pass this if these two things are not dealt with, they are kind of deal breakers when it comes to structure and context. You don't have to write classification as a back and forth between every single paper ever written, just give the proponents of each scheme and when their key studies were published. Alternatively, we can ask for a second opinion.
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Ok, I still see two major issues that I don't think can be brushed off so easily. That the article is structured very differently from other similar articles in having classification first, while readers would expect to read about the discovery first, and the complete lack of date and authors in the
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I think you need to get much more into the nitty gritty of who exactly argues for what classification, when and why. It is a very short article now, and since most that has been written about it is probably taxonomic stuff, the article should reflect this and give much weight to it, where it seems
383:"P. aethiopicus is only confidently identified from the skull KNM WT 17000 and a few jaws and isolated teeth" This would also logically be in the history section rather than classification, another argument to switching the structure around. 509:
Ferguson has a long history of making up new species names for single specimens with little justification. I remember Walker remarked in his book something like "He's always doing stuff like this" when talking about
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It seems a bit counter to most other such articles that you give classification before taxonomic history. Would probably be nice if it was consistent across articles and that it started with taxonomy.
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There's too many researchers who discuss these 3 species, it'd be too many names and be a really pointless list since it's really the same back and forth argument
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We need some key players and revisions mentioned then, I don't think the current hand waviness of that section is justifiable when the article is so short.
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But that's not the same, "it is argued" implies that this is the main hypothesis, when the article body makes clear this is not necessarily the case.
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Cool. So it seems there are more people for than against? The reader wouldn't have known unless you spelled it out, so it is definitely helpful.
409:"A partial jawbone, KNM-WT 16005, was also discovered. They clearly belonged to a robust australopithecine" To the same or different individuals? 823:
or just have one really long-running species (and the reasons for either are quite arbitrary and boil down to the author's personal preference)
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was even discovered, and it mainly revolves around the definition of the word "genus". So it'd just be "Dr. Smith said that he doesn't accept
476:"The discovery of these specimens discredited earlier hypotheses that P. robustus was the ancestor of the much more robust P. boisei" Why? 589:
You could make it clearer in the caption why you are showing the P. boisei mandible. State it was similar or something like that.
222:"Reconstruction of KNM WT 17000" Isn't it just a cast or replica? Reconstruction would imply that missing parts have been added. 533:"including a juvenile specimen, L338y-6. In 2002, a 2.7–2.5 Ma maxilla, EP 1500" Why only give a date for the latter discovery? 75: 156: 115: 17: 977:
That's not necessarily the case, those are just 3 players Wood happen to name while really quickly discussing the debate
659:" from 2.7–2.3 million years ago." Both here and underpaleoecology you should state the geological times it lived during. 268:"Side view of KNM WT 17000" Also, this is surely just a cast, not the actual specimen as implied by the caption? 983: 954: 925: 892: 859: 829: 784: 757: 727: 698: 672: 646: 602: 576: 550: 520: 489: 463: 422: 396: 370: 340: 321: 307: 281: 239: 209: 92: 846:
Though they may seem obvious, you could give the meanings of the original genus name and the specific name.
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These things are complicated but fun. Will review soon, at first glance, there's a bunch of duplinks.
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Missing parts were added (you can see some parts are shiny and the reconstructed parts aren't).
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and related confusion was introduced first before going into research history in this instance
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photo could be added as a double image with the one under description? Similar to the one in
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and American palaeoanthropologist William Kimbel are major proponent of monophyly" good?
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If it covers the same ground, Id say yeah. If it works there, it should work here, no?
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A bit of a shame the only skull isn't shown from the front too, but perhaps this
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that's actually just repetition with the last paragraph of Research history
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Ok, could be expanded in the future. Anyway, will promote now.
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The synonyms in the taxobox could also get authorities listed.
502:"Ferguson's classification is almost universally ignored" Why? 134: 103: 294:"The Peninj Mandible assigned to P. boisei" Likewise? 692:That's why it starts with "it is argued that" 934:Yes, but who are proponents of the opposite? 275:"Reconstruction of KNM WT 17000 (side view)" 8: 880:Should I just copy/paste some things from 30: 540:year when the site was shown to produce 807:The debate's been going on long before 61: 33: 615:"postcanine megadontia" Which is what? 442:Well in that instance they considered 7: 627:with relatively small incisors and 815:. 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