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other sources in the section which are of much better quality (Rashed, Brummelen, Sidoli are all promminent historians of science and mathematics). Also, Gibbs himself does not claim that the coefficients or the triangle were known to ancient Indian mathematicians, rather, he discusses the matter and states that, given the current state of knowledge, al-Tusi must be recorded as the earliest reference to the triangle. Thus, i see no reason to re-add the removed content.
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imports, try/catch) was helping either. Anyway I'm sure that the floodgates are open now, and we're going to have 200 versions of this program in different languages... which is OK by me, as long as everybody is striving towards comprehension of Pascal's triangle. I claim the existing program is an improvement over the previous one. I don't claim it's the best possible. Happy editing,
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Although "historia mathematica" seems to be in general a reliable source for this kind of topic, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the author of the article on the other hand is not an expert source on the history of mathematics, so this source cannot be used to counterbalance the
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A recent edit added, with citation: "As the proportion of black numbers tends to zero with increasing n, a corollary is that the proportion of odd binomial coefficients tends to zero as n tends to infinity." In trying to clean this up, I realized that I didn't know what "proportion" meant exactly.
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More about the code. I see the C code has been restored. I don't think this is an improvement. Why don't we just cut out the code altogther (in any language). Having an algorithm to print out some rows of the triangle doesn't have much to do with Pascal's triangle. I originally put in the Python
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Actually i am very much interested to know truth even if halyudha discover it his name should definitely come to in history of pascal triangle. Also halyuddha guy give his commentary on pingala work. On indian mathematician wiki pages it was clearly mention pingala discover pascal triangle and
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Hello, Iprogram with a much shorter, and, I hope, more comprehensible program. The goal here is to help people understand Pascal's triangle. I don't think the gyrations needed to get the numbers to line up were aiding that understanding. I also don't think the standard Java cruft (class name,
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We have several high quality sources in the article that attribute the binomial coefficients and the triangle to medieval Muslim mathematicians and so far, i've never seen similar high quality sources supporting this kind of edits. Besides, some weeks ago, i already
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Also, is there a neat way to split the article into one shorter and more accessible article , and another picking up on more periferal or advanced topics? The latter would by nature be very fragmented (or it would be a ridiculous number of very short articles).
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I agree with Wile that the code does not add any information on Pascal's triangle. The algorithm, based on Pascal's identity is already explained in English in the lead section, and it is straightforward to translate it in a specific programming language. --
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Well, i knew about Biggs' Wiki article, that's where i found that he is a mathematician, and while he has written some papers about the history of maths, he is not a prominent historian of maths simply because that field is not his main field, unlike
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Jia Xian is already mentioned in the history section of this article. According to what is written there, his name is not usually attached to it, even in China; do you have any sources that support the contrary view? (The only source in
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Am I wrong? This assumes that the row numbering starts at one (which is consistent with other parts of the text). In particular, only the odd numbered rows have a "middle element", and odd numbered rows must be of the form
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most of the article written in science direct is not reliable and many authors claimed to be an expert.I saw a article on cow urine therapy treatment for black fungus in science direct and itself a pseudoscience article.
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Having not surveyed the literature myself, but having only read this article, I agree with you. In your proposed sentence, we should remove the clause "and it is rarely of any use", which verges on speculation and
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This truth is demonstrated by the example in this section, showing that squares of the terms of the 5th row (where row numbering starts from 1) add up to 70. However, the math formula demonstrating this sums over
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When I remvoed the fairly recent paragraph on Pingala, I was not aware that other material on pre-islamic insights into binomial coefficients (arranged in a triangle, or not) har been removed in this edit:
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I suggest replacing the whole section by this statement, perhaps with the same source cited at the last comma, and possibly with a a link to a separate article containing the present section. Thoughts?
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Jitse, thanks for that example, which helps clarify some things for me. However, it also points out the other inconsistencies of this article. The crux of the problem is that the text uses the letter
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Even if it were, it doesn't support the changes you want to make. It explains that Pascal's Triangle doesn't appear in what survives of Pingala's work, but in Halayudha's more than 1,000 years later.
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Jia Xian described the Pascal's triangle (Jia Xian triangle) around the middle of the 11th century, about six centuries before Pascal. Jia used it as a tool for extracting square and cubic roots
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1265) to be the earliest reference. I suggest to try to find the source (Ahmedev and Rosenfeld 1963) given by Biggs, and then add an appropriate remark, quite different from the deleted one. -
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The following material was added by an IP user, and subsequently edited several times; e.g., the spelling "rythem" was corrected to "rythm" (along with other changes), but that was reverted.
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I've cut the section with the computer code. As I said in the edit summary, "source code doesn't shed any light on Pascal's triangle, and it's a language war magnet". For what it's worth,
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Pascal's triangle may be extended upwards, above the 1 at the apex, preserving the additive property, but there is more than one way to do so, and it is rarely of any use.
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because it replaced a Java program that was about 10 times as long; but in any event having a program is optional, so let's just cut it and avoid the language wars.
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Some further explanations prompted by the edits of Chad.nezar: The article assumes that the row with just one 1 is row number one. It then follows that row number
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The Indian version of Knowledge is a separate project with vastly different policies and standards. What happens there has no bearing on the English wiki.
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I have for now removed it; it may be sound (I do not have access to the source), but perhaps we can find an acceptable version here before re-adding it.
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Fowler, David (1996), "Binomial Coefficient Function", The American Mathematical Monthly, 103 (1): 1–17, doi:10.2307/2975209, JSTOR 2975209
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Earliest evidence about this triangle was found in the year 200 B.C. Pingalas Sanskrit Text Chandah-Sutra . The triangle was called
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Biggs' article, so I can't yet comment on your last sentences. However, I wonder how you decide who is an expert and who isn't. -
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row", but something more appropriate. Either the text should be changed to indicate that we consider the first row to be the
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is equal to 5 (as the text would indicate), that sum has a total of 6 terms, not 5. Clearly it is written assuming that the
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I request you Pls visit indian mathematocs wiki page and see pingala section and revise pascal triangle history accordingly.
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A judgment about general reliablilty of a journal can't be based on an (unsourced rumor about a) single article. -
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is not available online as far as I can see, so I am not able to immediately check what is written there.) --
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and I think basically everyone agrees that section is excessive but no one has done anything about it :). --
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row, where the row numbering starts at 1. However, clearly the math formulas and notation require that
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Similarly, I think that the recently added section "To arbitrary bases" is overly long and detailed.
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This appears to be a kinda important historical fact and probably should be included here as well.
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In the first section, there is also some confusion in that the page states "for positive integers
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But it appears to me that the claim should be "the sum of the squares of the elements of the
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Done. How about the section on calculating a row or column by itself? I think it is
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I think your (Chad.netzer's) edits make the article clearer, so thanks for that. --
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is irrelevant). I therefore think the wording should be "for non-negative integers
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So algorithms (though tied to a specific language) are not encyclopedia worthy?
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Actually it was english wikipedia only thats why i am saying pls check it
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the reference of this content was given by some Fowler and david person.
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We probably should mention the Jia Xian triangle here as well. The Page
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start at 0. In the example you gave above, you have to define
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Hence, the text "the sum of the squares of the elements of the
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Extension to negative rows and columns, and other fringe stuff
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I believe you're right — this is an off-by-one error.
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