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Trainspotter, I removed the "recruitment" line. While
Pasporta Servo isn't particularly offensive, it does have a POV. Most Esperantists have an interest in advocacy. While "recruit" is an accurate translation, it is a "loaded word" in English that makes Esperanto advocacy seem more cult-like than it
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Of course if it bothers you that much, because of your connections with UEA you would have sufficient influence to have the phrase removed from the
Pasporta Servo official site for the very purpose of then claiming justification to remove it from this Wiki page. I cannot stop that. But at least the
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I don't see the point in changing something in the PS website just to change a
Knowledge article. That even seems a bit suspicious to me. Anyway, thanks for your help on trying to keep the Esperanto articles on Knowledge as neutral as possible and giving your explanation as to why you consider the
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You have deleted my comment, claiming that it is not NPOV. What have you done instead? Offered a translation of the surrounding text, with the sentence "Eblas eĉ varbi per
Pasporta Servo" conveniently deleted from the middle of it without so much as a "" to indicate that the translation is not a
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is club-like. While it's possible to paraphrase PS's site to establish a more neutral connotation, I don't see why the phrase is particularly significant to this article. I hope you will understand my reasoning and I look forward to hearing what your thoughts are. --
187:(June 2003) states that "It is even possible to recruit by means of the Pasporta Servo. Many people learn Esperanto only because they want to travel by means of the Pasporta Servo". (The word approximately translated here as "recruit" is
252:(11) to varb, v.t., < Esp. varbi, to recruit < G werben; see also R. varbovat'. To proselytize, convert, recruit to active participation in a cause. A verb commonly used among English-speaking Esperantists.
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