Talk:Peter Foster/Archive 1

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by going to the website of queensland courts and downloading from the registrar. The edits AUTARCH is making are petty. It doesn't change the thrust of the facts that Foster is a conman and has been to jail. But taking out facts that he worked for the federal police by saying that the source, a former federal agent is dubious, when it has been widely reported around the world is silly. AUTARCH it makes you look like a sad man jealous that this Foster had a full life when you edit out "international playboy" when it is a fact he was reported in many newspapers - or you say he calls himself a "human headline" when there are numerous articles on him that call him that. Why take these points out. You are vandalising this artuicle with your littering of it with citation requests on insignificant or unqestionable points. One has to wonder why? has Foster done somehting to you? Are you personally involved and therefore not able to approach this without malice. I think you should stop your edits now on this page before you look even more foolish.

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playboy? Because you're not? Your position is unreasonable. It would be the same as ommitting that OJ Simpson was a champion footballer and just talk about his murder allegations. Or omit that OJ Simpson was in movies, or a successful commentator on TV sports. These are relevant factors that make his fall more extraordinary. It is his life and you can't edit out the bits you don't like. That is what you are doing with Foster. I am doing a thesis on how criminals are treated by society, and I am stunned the hours you are spending on criticising Foster and removing pertinent points which goes to his character, yet you think is promotion. That isbaid and discrimination and Austarch you are guilty of it. I intend to take this up with management at Knowledge and get their thoughts. You are a vandal,no matter what you think of yourself, your actions are nothing les than vandalsim.

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over 2o years from my goggling, a "international playboy" that was removed. Why is a former Federal agent for the Australian federal Police not being accepted as reliable. Foster being a great salesman, comeon, no one can dispute that - hemight be dishonest and a conman but he is called a great conman in dozens of artciles. And then his realtionship with Samantha Fox and Carole Caplin - two hugely famous women that in a way defined hin in the media are removed. It seems the handful of epople who are vandalising this page by removing the positive points, and highlighting only negative, are acting with malice. That's not personal, that's just prima facie on the evidence.(

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2635:"Foster claimed in August 2009 that he wanted to broker a peace deal between Australia and Fiji. He said that the 2006 coup was the coup 'Fiji had to have' and that "It is my belief that Commodore Frank Bainimarama is Fiji's last hope, but to succeed, he needs Australia and other countries to stop hindering, and start helping him bring changes that will benefit the people of Fiji." Foster claimed that the 2006 elections were rigged by Laisenia Qarase, something denied by Qarase, who pointed to Foster's history as a conman. Foster's claims puts him at odds with the Australian government." 1379:. The second paragraph quotes an alleged former Federal agent, but the link in the reference is to an earlier copy of the article in Knowledge mirror at www.absoluteastronomy.com - this copy doesn't even have the Spy section! The third paragraph links to in the Telegraph that, as far as I can tell, doesn't support either the quote or the remainder of the paragraph. This just underlines how much work is needed on this article - it seems like every link in the article will have to be checked to make sure that they support the assertions they are supposed to support. 2916:

false, by Foster's own admission. (Eg. he'd spent his fortieth birthday and Christmas with the Blairs). I've also found no evidence that a documentary about Muhammed Ali was ever made. It doesn't appear to exist, so we can safely remove the weird IMDB external link. In the Australian Story, Louise refers to Peter's estranged father 'Clarry', who I imagine might have been named Clarence Foster. She says that Jillian is seven years older than Peter. In Enough Rope, he talked about Jillian's longstanding drug addiction. Any thoughts on including any of that info?

1993:- This article - Russian site that appears to be a mirror of an earlier version of this article - A Spanish directory of people (don't read enough Spanish to be sure of the context in which it appears) - Peter Foster's website - Site I can't access, but it appears to be somebody complaining about the removal of the description of PF as a 'playboy'. - Anagram site that notes that 'Peter Clarence Foster' can be rearranged to 'Self-pretence creator', with an apparently-unrelated mention of Playboy Magazine. 31: 2650:. But it seems to me that he makes a lot of exotic claims (in particular, some variant of 'undercover agent' seems to have come up at least three times). Are claims like this really notable enough to be worth including in the article? My inclination is to delete them, but I'd like to hear from others on this - I'm aware that I've been removing a fair bit of material from this article, and I'd like to be sure I'm not going too far here. -- 257:"I have spent a lot of time reading the article and researching and I think it seems to be accurate on the mdia reports I located. It refers to him as "the greatest conman of all time" so it is hard to see how the article could be deemed to be bias. It just shows that there is another side to him - and that to be would be "balance". I can't see anything wrong, in fact I found it interesting." 2753:), one which neatly contradicts claims made in the Knowledge article, such as the assertion that "Foster has never been charged or convicted of fraud or theft or obtaining money by deception." Rather odd given that the BBC claim he has been jailed on three continents. It is also interesting to note that the minimal coverage given to the infamous Bai Lin Tea debacle in the Knowledge article. 895:(3) "As for Foster being one of the world's best salespeople, the person who said it, John Fenton, is himself regarded as one of the world's best salespeople." - I'm not sure why you're addressing this to me, since I've never expressed an opinion on that particular bit of content. (Though if you'd like me to form one, I'm sure I could manage something.) 1728:(funny how the 'citation' didn't link to the online records), it turns out that there were actually no questions asked at all in the House of Lords that day. Probably because it happened to be a Sunday. I checked adjacent dates, and April 16th on adjacent years, and found nothing there either. At this stage, I can't really say I'm surprised... -- 2042:

paedophile you would include that, so just because he is a playboy you can't edit it out without showing bias. To call if puffery or irrelevant is just not fair. You may not like him being labelled a playoby, but there you go, that's what media organisations decide to call him....so be fair and do not show your malice by vandalising the site.

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of the contract which is on file at the Gold Coast District Court and the Supreme Court of Queensland." (last sentence referenced to "Case No. 19/09 Peter Clarence Foster v Richard Shears and others filed at the Southport Registry, Southport Court House, Queensland, Australia".) Given how badly this article misrepresents 'sources' that

2609:"The lawyers asked for Mr Blair's assistance in avoiding another British jail term by claiming that Foster had previously worked undercover for the British police helping to expose a scam involving a children's charity. It was, like so many of Foster's outlandish claims, at best an embellishment, at worst, fiction." 1255:(rather clumsily) to be two different people to create an illusion of support for your attack on another editor, that's not a matter of "perhaps I was wrong". At that point, it becomes clear that you're editing in bad faith, and you cannot expect other editors to go to the trouble of addressing your concerns. -- 2887:

I'm not sure I understand your point. Well done for finding her Italian name - probably her birth name, however, Foster's mother, Louise, is known as Louise Foster or Louise Poletti, and there are numerous sources using those names. On ABC Australian story, 1999, she goes by the name of Louise Foster

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that you offered as a evidence on this issue. The title of this article is "Conman Peter Foster appears in court". The first sentence describes you as "conman Peter Foster". Paragraph two refers to "the conman as someone who'd had a sad and lengthy history of dishonesty, deception and evasion" (words

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The first paragraph makes claims about Peter Fosters motivations that aren't supported in the only reference given in the paragraph - it also makes a serious claim - also not supported by the only link in the paragraph - about another person who, although they aren't the subject of the article, would

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OK, perhaps I was wrong to make personal attacks. But the edits are bordering on malicious. Citations are being called for at every second word, you'll have hundreds of references attached. It is absurd. You are losing sight of the bigger picture. Can anyone tell me when this man has been called, for

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I am alarmed at the editing of the Peter Foster page. AUTARCH seem to be based in Ireland and seem to harbour a personal bias against the man.I understand he also was in Ireland. Autarch sayd that the role Foster played with the Australian Federal Police is dubious. I have read the affidavit material

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I'm also highly sceptical of this bit: "Foster received over $ 1 million advance for his biography from the Daily Mail newspaper. Written by Daily Mail journalist Richard Shears in 2003,it remains unpublished because of the threats of law suits from people in "high places". This is verified by a copy

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As for expanding on Foster's family details, I haven't seen any proper journalistic expose on Foster's family or early life, and given the clan's habitual lying, it may be difficult to know what is the truth. For instance, Fairfax journalist, Malcolm Brown, reported information that was later proven

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Clearly written by Peter Foster himself. Try checking out any of the BBC articles on him. They paint a rather different picture. I have never known anyone describe him as an "international man of mischief"; in fact he's always constantly referrred to as a conman or crook. The article also skims over

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The section on Fiji has been split in two and a third section about his claims to be a peacemaker has been given its own Fiji section. The sections now follow a more chronological flow. The paragraphs about his arrest in which he claimed to have been "brutally bashed" has been rewritten so it's more

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that claim: "Written by Daily Mail journalist Richard Shears in 2003,it remains unpublished because of the threats of law suits from people in "high places". This is verified by a copy of the contract which is on file at the Gold Coast District Court and the Supreme Court of Queensland that the book

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You say you are sceptical of the $ 1 million Foster was paid for his autobiography. Did you not read reference point No. 10. It says, "Foster sold his memoirs of a roller-coaster life to a British publisher for $ 1.2 million, the largest book deal secured by an Australian in the UK market. If you go

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I have spent a lot of time reading the article and researching and I think it seems to be accurate on the media reports I located. It refers to him as "the greatest conman of all time" so it is hard to see how the article could be deemed to be bias. It just shows that there is another side to him -

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Yeah, it's not a wonderful article as it stands. A lot of that is due to the efforts of our anonymous 'contributor' above - it takes much less effort for a pathological liar to make up a citation than it does for somebody else to check it. By the time I'm done removing bogus citations (while trying

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to trust me. If and when I add material to the article, it will be accompanied by cites that are easily checked, so you can check the source for yourself and confirm that I've represented it accurately. After all, given the subject matter of this article and its history of bogus citations, it would

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My first thought upon reading this was "he wrote it himself". Simple editing isn't going to do the job here: the entire article needs a rewrite. This page needs an overhaul, and quickly. It's exactly the sort of article that diminishes the credibility of Knowledge as a source of information. I hope

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Neutrality does not require that everything ever published about you should be given equal weight. In this case, while it's perfectly documentable that some articles have made throwaway references to you as a 'playboy', the appropriate weight is very VERY small - without the criminal record, those

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I agree. Autarch must have had some previous dealings with Foster because he is editing out only the fair and balanced bits that put Foster in a better light. He doesn't edit out his criminal convictions, his conman bits. What's wrong with Foster being a playboy or a great salesman. Why edit those

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The other two cites given are both dead links. (Edit: My partner, after searching news.com articles from 1990 onwards, was unable to find them - nor any mention of the police officer named in the claim, aside from WP mirrors and Foster's claims.) Given that this page has a history of bogus cites

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Thanks - there are some claims I'm a bit unsure of - particularly the claim that he was earning more than his teachers at one stage in his teen years. Not having access to the source in question, I'll leave that. One thing is that in keeping the article chronological, there are a lot of sections.

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I'm not aware of other "con" men/women's articles so I wouldn't comment on them. Sleeping with a famous person doesn't make you notable. Lots of people do that. The Blair thing looks like there's some actual meat there. As for his boxing ventures and involvement in Minogue's career, whatever they

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work on this article as it's still weighed by some of its original unsourced autobiographical hubris, and a general lack of clarity. It could read better and needs work on timeline, updating convictions and extraditions, and perhaps paring back some sections (Fiji). Judging by this guy's record

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on my talk page. I thought it was a random trolling, but when I looked up the IP address, it turns out to belong to an Australian ISP. Given there have been some issues with an editor POV-pushing in this article and said editor getting rather angry with other editors, it crossed my mind that it

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I am reporting facts. I am not promoting him. Foster has been called an "international playboy". It is through his charm that he gets alligned with these women that either made his tea famous, or got him involved with the Blair's. Can't you see the relevance? Why does it affect you that he is a

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Many thanks for checking with me. This is 100 per cent absolutely definitely NOT me! Obviously someone is taking my name in vain, so to speak, having picked it up from articles that I've written for the Daily Mail in the past. I don't talk like that and I'm not aggressive like that. So I'd be

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A reference suppording quotes from former federal agent Erikkson was in the Fiji section but it wasn't named nor was it used in the undercover operative section. I've used a quote that matched what the article said and edited the first paragraph as it specifically said cocaine and the article

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It could be said that Foster was punished for being "ahead of his time". In the early 80's there were many in the West who doubted that a tea could have slimming properties. Two decades later it is widely accepted that chinese tea has many medicinal benefits, and there are countless brands of

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You cannot describe Foster as a conman and then decide to edit out the label countless media organisations have labelled him as a "playboy". If the editors at the BBC, the ABC, The Times and other respected media organisations label him a "playboy" how can you call this puffery?. If he was a

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out. I think that is beyond dispute. Autarch must be either a Foster hater or jealous because the edits are not helpful but small minded and mean spirited. I think all the requests for citations are a form of vandalism and really annoying. Autarch is not being professional in his approach.

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IMHO, Foster is certainly notable, at least here in Australia and the UK. The article needs major work, not deletion. I remember his antics, Cheriegate, and the Bai Lin Tea affair, but it was a long time ago. There's reliable sources online to assist in a cleanup. I'll see what I can do. --

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In the article it emphasises that he was never convicted of fraud. I have edited the trivia/facts section to reflect the fact that he has indeed been charged with both fraud and theft. He avoided the fraud case by fleeing the country & he pleaded 'no contest' to the grand theft charge.

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Totally agree with ensuring that there is factual and biographical information - it seems back in August there was alot more information relating to the subject in question and it seems that most of that got cut out (bio/history..etc) and now left with the rubbish wiki we have at present.

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This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons on other pages. The burden of evidence for any edit on Knowledge rests with the person who adds or restores material, and this is especially true for material regarding living

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Hi Peter, I am reluctant to trust your edits, so I looked up the aforementioned Richard Shears (he's easy to find via Google). His writing style didn't look much like the comment above, so I emailed him, pointing him at this page and asking him whether this was indeed his edit. His

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I've fixed one (per my comment above, I may have incorrectly assumed you were referring to the references I removed from the article and pasted here). A broken ref tag in the article itself was causing a large portion of text beyond the Cheriegate heading to remain invisible. --

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to point 10, it leads to an article in the very highly respected Melbourne newspaper, the Age, written by Australia's premier policital reporter of 40 years standing, Alex Mitchell. Well, Bob, there is one source that can easily be checked, and you didn't.

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A ridiculously blatant panegyric, this article is highly misleading, giving the impression of Peter Foster as an Antipodean jack-the-lad and do-gooder rather than a convicted fraudster. A BBC news report paints a far different view of Foster and his career

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This section needs a serious overhaul - the comment about being "brutally bashed" is clearly in breach of NPOV and as the previous disputed edits have made claims that have tenuous links to what references actually say that will require a lot of editing.

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As for Foster being one of the world's best salespeople, the person who said it, John Fenton, is himself regarded as one of the world's best salespeople. But the comment of Foster being one of the best salesmen in the world has been widely reported.

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This is a very biased article. I would suggest adopting a more neutral narrative tone, and removing certain text (particularly the first item in "trivia and facts") I agree that a section on his criminal convictions would also provide balance.

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I don't see mention of his mother by name in the ACCC vs Chaste document, however his older sister, Jillian Louise Foster, is listed as a respondent. She was also featured in the Australian Story episode. Foster has a niece, Arabella Foster:

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was introduced in response to a fact template querying that "Foster is widely heralded as one of the world's best salesmen." Firstly it quotes only one person, but "widely heralded" implies that more than one person holds the view. Secondly,

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Trying to promote someone as an "international playboy", a fabulous salesman (while minimising the fact that he is a conman) and promoting details of his private life sound more like the job of someone involved in PR than anything else. You

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is a cached copy of his version of the wikipedia page, in case anyone is wary of letting the site know who they are. Interestingly enough, Peter Fosters' version of the page seems to date from the day after it was first tagged this

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A decent informative article that is well written, encyclopedic in nature and well cited, especially for any controversial content, this is what is needed here, right now the article is almost impossible to read and is a series of

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supporting the quote only mentions drugs without being specific. The baffling thing is that so many references seem to be sprinkled at random around the article with so little care taken to make sure they match what was said.

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Uninspired is good, they could use a bit of work, NPOV and uninvolved. Is the way to go, there are still far to many allegations and such that are worthless and only obscure the actual worthwhile and noteworthy details.

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discourages editors from deleting other editors' comments, I think I'm justified in acceding to Mr. Shears' request on this front. You'll excuse me if I decline your generous invitation to provide my own contact details.

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I don't think deletion is the answer. He does seem fairly notable. Try a web search, and you can find some articles on him. He may not well known outside Australia and the UK, but that shouldn't be grounds for

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which I note contains further info not in the article and might be of interest to other editors. I would have put it in the external links but there isnt one, maybe if it is worthy someone else might want to,

2312:, 'improving' that article by adding a new section on as-yet-unpublished claims (by Foster) to have slept with Walsh's family members. Seems like somebody is desperate to establish fame by association. -- 848:

I even see you removed him being referred to as an "international playboy". Why?. Check the source again, its the Australian Broadcasting Commission that uses the exact phrase, "international playboy".

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As the trivia section is now just a single sentence, removed the header and trivia template and moved it to the end of the Cheriegate section as at least one of the quotes is relevant to that section.

2673:, but he was sentenced to three years in absentia in 2013 after not turning up for sentencing. He is also facing contempt charges, so what is the most appropriate entry for the status in the infobox? 2525:

Perhaps a new section on the talk page listing as many items that we think need to be discussed might be one way. Or a more strategic overview of the article - both could be done in separate sections.

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It seems that recently there has been "edits" which have removed big sections of this article especially regarding the Fiji matters - bit of bias or POV ? (has always come from anon IP people) --

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The article mentions Operation ERUDITE without giving a citation for it - is the only link apart from the article here that mentions it along with Peter Foster or North Queensland or cocaine.

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Shears is based in Australia, but according to his blog he's back in the UK at the moment. He also seems to have a better level of spelling and grammar than the anon pretending to be him. --

1826:. There may be one I've missed, but as before none of those seem to support the claims made for the original reference - the one I gave above seems closest and it doesn't support it at all. 1944:

which provides details about his involvement with the SDL government and some dubious business practices. In fact, it doesn't even mention that he was out of Fiji for some of this time.

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Done - have also trimmed some of the material in the lede regarding Cheriegate and added an item about his early career found in a source that was already used for different details.

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I too am of the idea that this report reads as though Peter himself has written it. It shows bias and one could be forgiven for thinking it is the introduction to an autobiography.

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repeated later in the article). Most of the rest of the article is about the judge's opinion of your character. There is precisely one sentence on the "international playboy" angle.

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Article cited "The British House of Lords, Hansard, Question to Lord Irvine by Lord Spens 2000 April 16" as a source for Foster's supposed undercover activities in the UK.

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I've renamed the section to the term used in the reference for the first paragraph, removed claims as to motive and claims about a third party that had me concerned about

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This appears to have started as a vanity article, and remains an article with no notability established. As such it hardly deserves discussing, IMO. I say we delete it.

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Thanks for that - I did try to search on Foster's name, but the search engine wasn't loading properly for me. Certainly a long way from confirmation of those claims! --

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Then based on that reasoning other "con" men/women should be taken of wikipedia - I guess the main notable things relating to the person in question is the following:

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from several editors (mostly anonymous) which were suspiciously similar, so some other editors, myself included, suspect that there was one person making those edits.

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being added to support pro-Foster content, I'm going to delete the section; if anybody can find a solid cite for his undercover activity, feel free to restore it. --

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Note: only the edits in the block above are meant to be of special interest. The one below mentioning Fiji is purely to give a rough idea of the timeline - it does

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Moved from article (an anon simply landed them in as references). There's possibly plenty of information within the links below to assist in the article cleanup.

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Perhaps making them subsections, with higher-level sections covering broader themes - for example, several consecutive sections cover time spent in Australia.

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whoever used the keyboard after Foster wrote the article had the good sense to wipe it down with disinfectant because it must have been pretty damn sticky.

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the infamous Bai Lin Tea fraud and mentions nothing of his abscondment from jails and his pleas to the British Prime Minister to release him from prison.

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supported), I have very little enthusiasm left for working on it further; I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other

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easily be checked, I don't feel particularly trusting about what appears to be interpretation of a primary source that's rather harder to chase up. --

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level.

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above who was pretending to be Peter Shears - although Bigpond is one of the big Australian ISPs, so that could easily just be a coincidence. --

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Some of the new headings may be a bit uninspired namewise, but they generally cover the subsections and group them. Maybe they can be improved.

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a super salesman to some, conman to others, but undoubtedly a person who has lived a champagne lifestyle in the fast lane for over two decades,

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Scratch that about deleting the IMDB link. He made a documentary in 2003 about tabloid press, but there's nothing about a Muhammed Ali film.

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The article consists mostly of opinions of Peter Foster. Who is he? What is his occupation? Does he have any siginificant achievements?

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May we view the deeply unconvincing clip of Foster repenting his bad habits after the Cheriegate incident, and vowing never to re-offend?

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The person who wrote this article is probably one of the following: a) Peter Foster b) Peter Foster's girlfriend c) Peter Foster's mother

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If it weren't for his criminal record, the man would be a media nonentity. Emphasising the 'playboy' angle is a matter of undue weight. --

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It should contain actual biographical information instead of just opinions on how intelligent and crafty he is and loads of weasel words.

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I see our regular anon editor (gosh I wonder who that could be?) is back trying to emphasise the 'international playboy' angle again.

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while Googling that username. According to that page, published in the Courier-Mail's weekend mag for October 1 2005 (emphasis mine):

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The problem in meeting the "standards" is with the subject, not the article. I don't see how he's notable. Editing won't help that.

2401:. This seems to be practically admitting to being a conman on Peter Fosters' part. Indeed, the article calls him a conman, as does 1002:

supposedly provides a reference for the claim that Peter Foster "was one of the first to realise the selling power of celebrity" -

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gives 915 hits, some of which are references to the magazine and some which genuinely refer to him as a 'playboy'. By comparison,

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It is stated in the article that Foster is a convicted con man. Wouldnt it then be pertinent to detail his crimes and convictions?

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This article requires a complete re-write, removing the hyperbole and weasel words and closely following sources. I suggest that

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I did think it rather strange that a British reporter would be contributing to Knowledge anonymously from Southport, Queensland

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not have been random after all. Anyhoo, the page has been rolled back and the vandal warned not to indulge in personal attacks.

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Firstly I am not Peter but Richard Shears. I am an author and journalist with the Daily Mail. I also wrote Peter's biography.

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is a list of all pages from that site that contain "Peter Clarence Foster". The other questions that were answered were about

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The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment

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I recommend rewriting this as a criminal biography or deleting entirely as it fails to meet basic truthfulness criteria.

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there is about 30 Famous convicted and alleged con artists with most of them having a wiki regarding them respectivly.

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Peter Clarence Foster (born 26 September 1962) is an Australian who has been convicted of fraud in several countries.

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Well done, looks much better, what we need to do is tweak this article up and remove the fat template at the top..

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Agreed - some of the editing either doesn't give a reference that supports a claim or leaves out some information:

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Can someone fix those references, they are showing up as self referential links. Makes it hard to check them.

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Every so often there is anon IP "users" who blank out alot of the article especially the Fiji information. --

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You're right. There's nothing substantive here that tells us why there should even be an article about him.

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It says he has not been convicted of fraud...that appears true. He offences were all advertising related.

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Some details about 'Luigina Pelotti' Foster's mother dating from 2002, which is not curently on the page.

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It says he has not been convicted of fraud...that appears true. He offences were all advertising related.

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I ask Bob, why are you so bias against this man? I don't feel particularly trusting of your motives, Bob.

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says no such thing. Is there a Knowledge procedure for having an article checked for reliable sources?

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It is not the policy of the police either to confirm or deny whether anyone is a registered informant

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I agree. We don't need labels, whether "playboy" or "con man". Stating the facts would be better. --

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The Fiji section mentions nothing between the 2001 election and October 25 2006, despite citing

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and that to be would be "balance". I can't see anything wrong, in fact I found it interesting.

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These are just on the first result page of a Google search on "Peter foster" and "Bai Lin".

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The only Playboy associated with Foster is the magazine that he holds in his LEFT hand ...

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There are many other crap wiki's out there with less interesting or "notable" information.

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was presented as a cite for claims of Foster's undercover work. What it actually says is:

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Yes. Brown is a senior writer with the Fairfax group, which includes The SMH and The Age.

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mentions a newspaper interview, but does not give a date - isn't this a failure to follow

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being a conman is one of the most prestigious and respectable professions you can pursue

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Hopefully semi-protection will provide enough breathing space for a bit of cleanup. --

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says that the nickname "the human headline" was give to Peter Foster by himself!

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Yeah. That's a bit that I suspect Foster (or a very loyal fan) keeps adding in.

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Actually, this article is a load of self serving crap he probably wrote himself.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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There's also an interesting page of user contributions , a single contribution

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claim to be doing a thesis on criminality and discrimination faced by prisoners

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were, why aren't they in the article? That might actually have some substance.

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Instead of dismissing it...help edit it so it meets "standards" nuff said! - --

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2. The following links tell a different story of the Bai Lin Tea he promoted.

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Once again, please do not remove the tags unless sufficient changes are made.

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Peter Foster's niece may face probe over con man's ponzi scheme betting scam

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He has been labelled as a "con man" and called himself the "human headline"

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Your allegations of vandalism are laughable when you do something like this

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which states the facts without getting into issues of terms like "conman".

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doesn't support the claim that it is cited in support of. Fact templates

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Which, while published by the same company, is a rather different entity.

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I think the artcile is fair enough. Can't be nice to be called a conman.

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60 Minutes interview by Mike Munroe. 1987 Channel Nine Network Australia

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to put them correctly - not just list the newspaper or book..etc name --

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Dumping a bunch of sources at the bottom of the page doesn't help. See

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How coincidental is this? Peter Foster gets let out of prison on 1 May

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If you think it's bad now, you should have seen it several months ago.

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bears an interesting resemblance to earlier versions of the article.

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Is it semi protected? I can't see it? Oh its there now 5 or 6 days.

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Australian Competition and Consumer Commission v Chaste Corporation

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imply that the editor who made it is involved in the sockpuppetry.

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be rather foolish for any of us to take citations on trust here. --

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The reasons for the templates and tags is that there was a lot of

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the reference cited as Fentons support for Fosters selling skills

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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1370/is_n10_v23/ai_8310033

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Actually there is, unsourced, and calling her 'Louise Poletti'

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Thanks - that can be linked to from the appropriate reference.

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An early mention of his Fiji connection in the main article is

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is more likely. And the IP range can be traced to Suva, Fiji.

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This article is rife with weasel words, such as the following:

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Foster out of prison on 1 May, Knowledge article gets makeover

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there is a reference that links to a mirror of wikipedia. The

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Playboy Magazine interview by Frank Robson 1983 "Kid Tycoon"

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these claims, and as long as the article represents them as

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Those trivia/facts that need references - use the WP policy

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That's exactly how they were plastered into the article. --

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editors will be adding to this article for some time yet.

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This article reads like it was written by a PR firm. See

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is... revealing. Third and final edit was in May 2006. --

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Kylie Minogue early involvement to kickstart music career

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There seem to be reasonable sources to indicate that he

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Well, I am available to help, join in with anyone else.

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NPOV. More work needs to be done, but this is a start.

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If you were acting in good faith - or just getting the

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The part quoting Peter Foster himself seems to breach

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to be fair to what little favourable content actually

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grateful if you could delete that particular passage.

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Had to do it again, as someone reverted it... daniel

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referred to an entry on the page mentioned that was

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The account credited with writing this devoted its

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Not meant to be personal - but nor should the edits

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