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Guangzhou (Canton City), Hong Kong, Macau, Shenzhen and Zhuhai being on this river, and it being mentioned in relation to all five, and the province Guangdong (Canton Province), it is highly prominent with this being a manufacturing and financial center of the world (not just China).
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