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marketing practices in addition to the failure of these schools' student body to repay their loans, graduate, and their excessive defaults (44% of all in total), which shows mismanagement of funds (Pell Grant and other Title IV) and is relevant to the article, as it involves both Pell Grant and other Title IV abuse.
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The controversy section is integral to the article, as it details abuse and misuse of the Pell Grant, in addition to other Title IV funds (Loans, etc.), the parties involved, the extent of the abuse and fraud (Omitting the $ 250,000 in savings from the undercover shoppers and adding dependents by the
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I think it's important to point out that students who dual enroll in college and highschool (DUAL, not JOINT enrollment) do not receive Pell Grant, as they have not yet graduated from high school. I was cheated out of two years of Pell Grant because I thought it would be a good idea to go to college
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I've removed the scams section twice, because it seems to consist only of a generic scam warning, with no actual data backing it up. Likewise, I've removed the link to pell-grants.org, as it doesn't clearly identify what organization, if any, is sponsoring it, and the Google ads are quite prominent
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