Talk:Philadelphia Police Department

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who can recite the alphabet can get. I am merely trying to make and retain bona fide contributions to an online encyclopedia's article. As such, I prefer not to do untold hours of research on said website's policies, etc. The only justifications that I need to support my stated position are that, according to Knowledge, when making contributions "common sense" should be used and there are no rules "carved in stone". My prior posts further explain this reasoning. I have asked for your assistance in finding ways around your perception that a police misconduct article should not list cases thereof, but you have refused to help, which suggests that you are more interested in nuking the contributions of others than in helping them contribute. I do not need condescending hypotheses and analogies to understand your reasoning, so kindly refrain from using them. The PPD misconduct article has been around since July of last year, so I have no idea about why you have taken so long to attack it. I am awaiting a response from a higher up, so please do not make any changes until he intervenes.--

2588:. Your edit reflects that source and take it a step further: While the POV source puts the claim that police shot at people trying to escape the fire on Ramona Africa's lips ("Ramona Africa, one of two survivors, stated that police shot live rounds at people who attempted to flew the inferno." You've changed this into a fact: "Police...shot at people who tried to escape the fire. ... Police attempted to shoot MOVE members fleeing from the fire." You state the events made the PPD "infamous", start the events with the bombing, have the bombing "killing eleven MOVE members including five children" (I don't believe the bombing directly killed anyone, the resulting fire did.). Your telling has no prior history with the group (gunfights, etc.), no arrest warrants, no fortifications, no shots fired from the building, no attempts with bullhorns, fire hoses and tear gass to empty the building, etc. Instead, the "infamous" PPD simply came in, bombed the house and using thousands of rounds of gunfire to make sure everyone stays in and dies. - 1642:

government wrongdoing; I otherwise support the police and all other government agencies. According to other police misconduct articles, findings of police misconduct include terminations, suspensions, government-sanctioned study results, and the like. Please show me even a single entry on the PPD misconduct page that does not have at least one of the aforementioned findings. As per the Knowledge founder's "60 Minutes" interview that was aired Sunday, Knowledge is intended to help people and sometimes includes articles that do not belong according to its policies, but get published anyway because they benefit the public. Philadelphia has a serious problem with police abuses. The fact that, for instance, "tens of thousands" of black and Latino males are illegally stopped and searched annually should be publicized so that potential visitors or residents know the score and are thus warned away. It is not as if Knowledge is hurting for space.--

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had a random list of cases PhiladelphiaInjustice felt were misconduct. As part of their crusade, the list was clearly biased toward recent events ("recentism"). The ONLY PPD misconduct listed prior to 1974 was one case in 1967? That is laughable. Compared to the listings since the growth of the Internet (circa 1995), the Frank Rizzo years were apparently an idyllic era of calm and serenity. For 1967 - 1980 (with Rizzo as Commissioner or Mayor), we listed ONE case and two reports that it was a huge, on-going problem... Take the same length of time from today back to mid 2000, we listed over 200 cases. Some of those cases, though, were quite puzzling. We had officers who committed suicide, which PhiladelphiaInjustice apparently believed is "misconduct". We had various cases where police committed or were alleged to have committed crimes

2085:". Since typing in all caps is the online equivalent of shouting, we've got loud covered. You even called it yelling. Excited? When you start with ALERT! ALERT!, you come off as excited. Declamatory? (expressing feelings or opinions in a way that is loud and forceful). We've covered loud and when you start calling things "Orwellian bullshit", alleging that editors on working on behalf of someone to cover up "the truth", that sounds forceful. Notice the definition has nothing to do with length or number of exclamation points. If it were very long, I might call it a tirade. Perhaps that's the word you thought I was using. So yeah, I'll stick with the word rant. I'll stick with my use of hyperbole too. I know it's not as intellectual sounding as "prick" or "dickweed", but I'll keep it anyway. 1394:

murder list from the main PPD article because you have not objected to the separate PPD line-of-duty fatality article that has existed for years. I have no clue about why you would object to a separate article that lists major police misconduct, while simultaneously permitting a police fatality list. To me, the misconduct list is even more worthy of encyclopedia inclusion because police officers are supposed to uphold the law, not break it. Conversely, fatalities in the line of duty are expected and somewhat routine, if tragic. My criteria for inclusion are not "subjective" by default of having already been established by other, far more experienced editors who are very sophisticated about Wiki's policies. --

2554:, this section is meant to serve as an overall summary of the article and generally should not require sources as all material summarized in the lead should be discussed and sourced later in the article. Yes, the May 1985 attempt to serve arrest warrants, armed standoff, gun fight, bombing of the fortified bunker, ensuing fire, deaths and property destruction were a significant event. However, this article is about much more than the events of that one day. Your addition doubled the length of the lead section, implying far more importance to that day than the article supports. 189: 1161:*Noble cause corruption, where the officer believes the good outcomes justify bad behavior *Selective enforcement (knowledge and allowances of violations by friends, family and/or acquaintances unreported) *Abuses of power (using badge or other ID to gain entry into concerts, to get discounts, etc.) *Police perjury (blatant lying under oath and/or to other authorities to cover wrongdoing) *Influence of drugs and/or alcohol while on duty *Violations by officers of police procedural policies" 1982:

conspiracies, corruption, and cover-ups are often standard operating procedure in their game, not to mention a healthy side of subjugation of the working class, and racism to keep 'em divided. It's not "just a few bad apples", violations of the rights of all of us to life, liberty, justice, and pursuit of happiness are just their thing, what can I say. I've seen it, and they should be outright disbanded— we have a right to a better civilization than this. Sometimes a man can't just

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officer, Sergeant Stephen Liczbinski, was murdered. In the aftermath, 9 officers pulled over 3 suspects who vaguely fit the suspect's description, handcuffed them, then beat them.{{fact}} Although the department fired two of the officers involved,{{fact}} the remaining officers were only reprimanded.{{fact}} To this day it is considered by many civil rights groups to be the most brutal police department in the United States.{{fact}}

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WP:BLP, WP:NPOV generally and WP:WEIGHT in particular, WP:TABLOID and sundry other WP:TLAs designed to remind editors of the virtue of good editorial judgment." Finding no obvious way forward, other than a complete rewrite from scratch (we had a list, we needed an article), I waited a month or so from the closing and redirected here. The title is available for a prose article, which may include a list of

2008:". You accused people of editing on behalf of PPD as part of a conspiracy. Yes, my friend, that is a bad faith allegation. Twice you went with the hyperbole "Orwellian", again implying that there is a government conspiracy involved. More bad faith. Then you say you can't AGF because of more hyperbole about Imperial Stormtroopers (I guess this became a Star Wars movie). I'd suggest you actually 380: 22: 2498:

removed by people with strong racially biased motives. Please remember that according to the wikipedia guidelines that articles should always remain neutral and stick to facts over opinion. I'm glad we can all agree to remain neutral and put our personal biases aside and that any edits which include the bombing of the MOVE headquarters will not arbitrarily be deleted.

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by default. Also, you have already stated that suicides belonged on another similar article, but curiously rationalize that they do not belong here. All of the police wrongdoing is related to their on-duty activities, and some of the PPD suicides were indeed on-duty. Suicide is a felony, results in death, and is thus police misconduct.--

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Please try to stay logged-in when editing whenever possible, rather than sometimes editing anonymously, which can cause confusion. Thanks for discussing this at the talk page rather than edit warring. Your argument doesn't hold much weight, though: editors from around the world are encouraged to edit

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issue. This article is about the entire 150+ year history of the police department of one of the largest cities in the world. Recent allegations that a photo show a tattoo that is allegedly a Nazi symbol, with further allegations sourced only to "activists" in a questionable source does not merit its

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You've mischaracterized what was censored. Grossly. And there wasn't any other "nonsense" removed. There is a strong history of what I alleged on Knowledge, particularly in the corporate sphere. Look it up, better thyself, and go in peace, my man. Neither of us stands to gain by fighting one another.

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That URL now links to the general Philadelphia Police Department article... which includes NO misconduct section, and NONE of the excellent and often damning incidents that were in the previous article— particularly the comprehensive report done on Philadelphia police misconduct and corruption in the

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Your strong opinions re the Philadelphia Police Department -- while interesting in light of your work here -- are irrelevant. The "benefit" that you perceive -- much like your thoughts that a list of Philadelphia Fire Department death might serve as a training aid -- is not an appropriate goal for an

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Ok, we get it, you have memorized this website's policies, procedures and semantics, and have a rigid, black and white, one dimensional interpretation of them, which you believe is the lone interpretation that matters. I am not working on a thesis or doctorate in an air-headed liberal art that anyone

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As I wrote a few minutes ago in a new section below— I don't know what happened to your article, but it was excellent and it has been thrown into the memory hole, presumably by those condemned by the truth. Someone with a social conscience and more WikiSkillz than I, please find and restore it— don't

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has been asked several times by multiple editors to discuss the issues they have with this cluster of pages, including their strong preference to refer to the 1985 MOVE incident as the "1985 Cops from Hell Bombing." which, in addition to having unnecessary capitalization, stray punctuation and being

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of the supposed group murder of the officer, possible retaliation, possibly sabotaged equipment, etc. No mention of a settlement (just the case filing which did not allege misconduct). In fact, rather than PPD officers failing to rescue the officer, it was "the crew of 18 aboard the cutter and eight

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and explain how you believe this is not the case. Yes, "serious misdemeanor", "major misconduct", "significant", a "(first degree) misdemeanor or felony case", "particularly egregious", "felony or a serious misdemeanor (alleged or proven)" are subjective. If you think they are "objective", you might

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I have already admitted that I was wrong to believe that police suicides were illegal (I was relying on a book I had read in grade school). But you did agree that suicides belonged on another (non-police) article because other editors had posted them there. I am not a liar, but if you want to verify

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Hmm, it seems that "police misconduct" could easily be applied to all of the cases presently listed. I do not know why you express such passion, rage, indignation, and bluster about bona fide contributions that were made to an encyclopedia. It is okay to have an opinion, but you are not always right

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summaries of information reported in independent reliable sources. We should no more include "fair warning" to anyone based on your opinions re police conduct than we should warn them re my opinions of the difficulties I expect they'll have finding parking in Philly or the fat content of the massive

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The omitted misconduct section is especially relevant to the upcoming Democratic Convention. The recurring accusations of massive election fraud will most likely lead to the kind of demonstrations and confrontations not seen since the 1968 Chicago convention. Here is a starting point for the kind of

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Actually, any aggression in this discussion has been yours. As for your personal attacks and other nonsense that have been removed, well, I'm sorry you are incapable of discussing this without them. No, obviously this isn't a Star Wars movie. Equally obvious is your inability to detect sarcasm. I'm

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We're discussing it now, my friend. Yeah... just a little yellin', not a lot. I didn't mean to offend you, it's not your good faith question. The policy and guideline I'm citing is the truth. Have you ever ever read the history of the police since their inception? Slimy stuff— lawlessness, murders,

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This section is a trivial list of occurrences. As the tag says, "Please reorganize this content to explain the subject's impact on popular culture rather than simply listing appearances." This section is essentially a list of books, films, etc. where the Philly PD appears. It does not -- in any way

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Hi, I believe that all of the officers listed were indeed murdered; that is, their killers were actually convicted of a degree of murder or, in at least one case, homicide. The problem is that nobody wants to perform the tedious task of sourcing every entry using major media references. Any takers?

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is, IMO, not too clear in this case. My thought is to allow these assertions to remain in the article, tagged per above, for a short period. Either the original editor, or someone else reading it, will be prompted to provide citations. If they remain uncited after a week (for example), remove them.

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As you have gone so quickly to "strong racially biased motives", I will say only the following: If you believe anyone is editing other than with the intent to build a better encyclopedia, such discussion is unlikely to be productive on article talk pages. While you may wish to ask about motives on

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misconduct, rather than a list of cases, the closing admin stated, "This article is about the subject of misconduct in the Philadelphia PD. It may contain a brief list of notable instances. If many notable instances exist, they may be spun out into a separate list. Any list must be duly mindful of

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to prevent the article from being a random selection of cases or every case in the past 250 years. Similarly, we did not have objective, sourced criteria for what constitutes "misconduct". We also had no limiting criteria to whittle down the list of cases from Philadelphia's 350 years. Instead, we

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I'm talking about the words you wrote in your last response, the words that another editor warned you about. Calling someone a prick or a dickweed is a person attack. There's no "mischaracterization" involved, let alone a gross one. And just because something has happened on Knowledge doesn't mean

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I have already explained why in prior posts, but you have chosen to ignore my comments. I am still awaiting a response from a higher up who may have suggestions for retaining much of the referenced article. Please refrain from posting on my talk page; discuss your issues here. I had requested help

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be using a different meaning of the words "subjective" and "objective". "Particularly egregious" (etc.) is a matter of opinion (i.e., "subjective"). One person might feel that driving through a 15 mph school zone at 50+ mph is "particularly egregious". Others might not. It is a subjective issue. -

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You said: "I did not say that you stated that police suicides belong on the PPD misconduct page. I indicated that you believed they belonged on a similar article (not about the PPD)." OK, clarifications: "they" does not refer to "police suicides" in the previous sentence and "List of deaths at the

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No, not POLICE suicides. By "they", I meant suicides in general. I do not remember the name of the article and I am not going to waste time researching it, but I am telling the truth. You had quoted the inclusion criteria for another article, possibly about a foreign army, and seemed to agree that

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Hello, I am afraid that I must agree that this section is fluff, as I have noted in a prior edit. However, the section is a simple list of PPD-related movies, books and television, not a true popular culture section whose entries should have profound meaning. I do not see the harm in leaving it as

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For anyone interested, the article's history (including dozens of individual event rewrites and removals) and the talk page (and archives) are available. For the record, PhiladelphiaInjustice directly accused me of being part of or working on behalf of the PPD. I explained my minimal interactions

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If this section of the current article is supposed to be about just police corruption and brutality, the word "misconduct" does not belong in the section heading. Additionally, we will need independent reliable sources discussing corruption and brutality separately from other misconduct. Finally,

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The section seems to be trying to make a point of listing officers who were "murdered". The fact that sourcing it would be a laborious task is indicative that this is not really an encyclopedic section about the Philly PD. We do not have independent reliable sources discussing the Philly PD which

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You seem to feel that "everything" is irrelevant in the face of your one dimensional perceptions of Wiki's policies. It is you who is mistaken if you believe that major cases should not be listed in a police misconduct article. The public's right to know these socially pertinent facts trumps all

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No, they are not: "There are some common exceptions to the typical notability requirement: If the person is famous for a specific event, the notability requirement need not be met. If a person in a list does not have a Knowledge article about them, a citation (or link to another article) must be

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belong there.) Several suicides included in the article were off-hours (or thought to have been) or had resigned from the PPD before they killed themselves and, therefore, do not seem to fit any definition of police misconduct I can imagine. "Suicide is not illegal within any state in the United

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The Philadelphia police department to present day has a long history of brutality{{fact}} to the citizenry it is sworn to protect and serve. The department has had a large number of complaints of officers handcuffing suspects then beating them.{{fact}} A notable and nationwide event was after an

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I have suggested "1985 MOVE confrontation". This title gives the name of the group involved, though "1985 MOVE confrontation with police" might be more accurate (though wordy). It also changes it from a random decision to drop a bomb to a "hostile meeting between opposing parties". I also chose

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Instead of using an electron microscope to find reasons to prove how dumb I am and that you were right, please stay focused on discussing the inclusion criteria. I have already conceded my error on the police suicide issue; please move on. I did not dispute your "nuking" of the PPD line-of-duty

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I did not say that you stated that police suicides belong on the PPD misconduct page. I indicated that you believed they belonged on a similar article (not about the PPD). I stand corrected about suicide being a crime; I was relying on archaic info. Nonetheless, some of the police suicides were

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this one, the guidelines are focused on the creation of an article. Using such broad guideline as seems to be proposed, would also would eliminate say list of persons being buried at certain cemeteries, deceased alumni of schools, ect ect. With that being said however the full list is very much

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The Wall of Honor here is a section of the Article, not THE article. This is information regarding the history of the department. Some who are interested, may reference the list to further cross-reference a time period that they know. For example, in Philadlphia history, a Police officer was

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Recently my edit of the Philadelphia Police Department wiki page which included the police bombing of the MOVE headquarters was removed with an allegation of heavy POV. I have a suspicion that all posts relating to the MOVE bombing and the PPD repression of black communities will be wrongfully

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I understand your point. However, my interpretation of the "non-memorial" clause is that no entry should be created for the sole purpose to honor a person who has passed. For example, if my mother passed, I should not, as a member of the community, create a entry for the accomplishments of my

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The incident from their summary seems to start with a bomb being dropped. While the group's prior involvement with the city/police certainly factors in, I would think the attempt to deliver arrest warrants, armed standoff and prolonged gun battle along with the ensuing fire would perhaps have

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I repeat, in my opinion, Wiki's policies that allow the injection of common sense and for the rules to be ignored trump your interpretations of other policies which you believe support your position. It is curious that you have chosen to argue with me, an admitted Wiki amateur, instead of the

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Your opinions about my contributions are irrelevant. You have no more authority than I at Knowledge, although you are certainly entitled to your policy interpretations. Full disclosure: I am a conservative who is only interested in publishing facts about PPD corruption/brutality and all other

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For the present issue, the edit in question again makes claims drawn from and expanding upon an unreliable source. Allegations by ambiguous "activists" are related as facts. Reliable sources on the incident make far less serious charges, casting considerable doubt on the allegations.

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about you if I didn't think you were genuinely well-meaning (though apparently lacking in constructive social skills in your presentation). Obviously we're not actually talking about Star Wars, for example, but if you thought so... super sad. Finally, the definition of rant for your

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objections based on technicalities. Such knowledge could even prevent a would-be deadly interaction with crooked cops. What harm could possibly be done to anyone should the PPD misconduct article in its current form be allowed to persist? I am sure that Wiki's founder would agree.--

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Why is this section so unlike those on other PD pages? Most have asimple table and avoid a legal term such as "murdered." Futher this is a very old department, but the section goes only a few years. The ODMP provides all the information, it need only be placed in the usual format.

2226:, which we've still decided are "misconduct". Several of the cases were for alleged crimes committed before or after the accused were on the force. Notably absent from the list were discussion of selective enforcement, police perjury, abuse of power, procedural violations, etc. 1711:". Accusations do not belong here as they are not examples of "misconduct". Your personally set criteria are not encyclopedic and you haven't followed them. In the cause of attacking the current PPD, you have heavily biased the article toward recent events. While you see this 1962:

Still, you've cited no policy or guideline, just yelled a lot. You've demonstrated a clear point of view issue and them accused others of not just wrong-doing, but conspiring to be part of a giant cover-up. Again, all without a single bit of discussion. Have you ever read

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I am a fan of misconduct sections. But this one has gotten out of hand purely in terms of size. It needs to have sections by year and it ought to be made its own article. I ask for comments before I act on this. "Speak now or forever hold your peace," as they say.

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suicides (unrelated to police) should be included. Note that I have already agreed that police suicides do no belong in the referenced articles, except the ones that involved serious crimes, such as Cpl. Levitt's arson and firearm discharge on police property.--

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I'm not too sure that this should be included. I mean no disrespect for the fallen officers, but 'What Wikipeida is not', Knowledge isn't a memorial site, as has been pointed out to me a few times when I've seen other articles with lists such as these.

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Berlin Wall" is somehow similar to (List of cases of) "Misconduct in the Philadelphia Police Department"... I did not indicate suicides "belonged" in that article. I said that article "...uses unambiguous, objective criteria based on reliable sources."

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2) The target article is currently a misguided list of some randomly selected instances that some editor or another believe are cases of PPD misconduct, including such things as off-duty behavior wholly unrelated to the PPD and off-duty suicides.

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AGF. It has nothing to do with assuming good faith about the PPD. I has to do with assuming good faith about other Knowledge editors. When you start claiming they're part of government conspiracies with no evidence beyond your opinion, you're

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then list officers who were murdered (presumably in the line of duty). Instead, we're looking for individual articles about the individual officers' killers' trial outcomes. Tracing back, we are taking individual murder convictions -: -->

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Your "crusade" is clearer: you want to hide PPD misconduct using warped interpretations of Wiki's policies that conveniently and illogically rationalize the exclusion of facts, at least as other editors' contributions to police articles

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The section is a problem. None of them are sourced. We cannot say "murdered" unless there is a reliable source saying there was a trial and conviction. Further, it seems to be more of a memorial than an encyclopedic entry. -

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There weren't enough exclamation points in my post to qualify as a "rant", nor was the length sufficient. I also suggest looking up the word "hyperbole"— your use of the word tends toward the hyperbolic. Cheers, Officer.

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Your and PaulinDaudis' objections about the murdered officers section make sense, so I just deleted it and linked the main article in the same spot. Should we just completely delete the movies/television/books section?

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You cannot consider this information unreliable because you are not from the United States and you have no idea of its history, and you do not know these websites that know more than you, it has become

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rant |rant| verb speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way : she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all. noun a spell of ranting; a tirade : his rants against organized religion

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overkill, and i would move to trim it down to those who have their own articles on Knowledge or are associated with articles on Knowledge with a relevant link to those article, think along the lines of

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using a policy." Listing the huge number of Philadelphia police misconduct cases warns readers to avoid contact with cops in that city. That benefit alone trumps any technicality that you have cited:

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cases (MOVE comes to mind, as do racial unrest around the 1960s, Prohibition corruption, police-involved nativist riots, the Civil War riots and unrest relating to slavery, the Revolutionary War, etc.

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articles about U.S. topics (and Americans to edit articles about other topics), and there's no obvious reason why non-Americans would have trouble determining that "what-when-how.com" is less of a

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As with the AfD'd case listed above, PhiladelphiaInjustice seemed to not hear that I could not find objective, sourced criteria and insisted that I create criteria. When I stated that our policies

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Therefore, I can only conclude that a whitewashing has been enacted on behalf of this corrupt organization. I move that this Orwellian bullshit be reversed, and the original article be reinstated.

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Any time someone says I did something that I did not do, I will respond. If they concede I was right AFTER I respond and tell me that I should not have responded, it is a strange turn of events...

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I have neither passion nor rage norindignation nor bluster about any contributions here. I have neither said nor implied that I am right by default. I have not stated that suicides belong in

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Wow.....have you tried actually asking why it was removed or had any sort of discussion at all before you "concluded" something with essentially no information? Hyperbole isn't convincing.

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Is this incident worth a cited-mention, maybe. But will this be considered a "Notable event" in the history of the PPD in two months? Doubtful, but maybe. As a separate section it was

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you can accuse others of it right out of the box. From your very first post here, you alleged a conspiracy. It was wrong of you to do without evidence and your lack of AGF set a bad tone.

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seasoned pros who have allowed "controversies" to be entered into their misconduct articles of the NYPD, RCMP, etc. (a BLATANT violation of Wiki's policies, no matter how you slice it).--

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are ambiguous (i.e., they are not clear-cut, black and white, yes or no questions): Does an accusation involve a felony or misdemeanor? Who knows? Sources do not generally include this.

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Actually, you ranted, I replied, you posted a sentence in response. You've posted nothing really discussing it. And yes, this is a serious good faith issue. Your initial rant said "

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article. The concept here is both consistency and simplicity. Rather than nailing down what to say here and then working it out independently at several other articles (

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on-duty and involved actual crimes, such as Cpl. Levitt's arson and firearm violation. Erroneously listing police suicides does not point "to a lack of clear, objective

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You make some valid points, my friend. You sound overly aggressive in your presentation, however, which only hurts our connection and this project— it would be hard to

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arguments and say I am warping policies without explaining how I am warping them. That is not debate, it is sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "Nu uh!" -

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that Bologna at no point denied having struck a protester, but rather acknowledged that he did so and argued that he was justified in doing so. While he only

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On second thought, the section should remain but merely list reality shows, documentaries, and other nonfiction works. The fiction stuff is worthless fluff.--

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Well I did ping you since you were the one who removed the material. It seemed you'd be the best one to explain your policy based reasoning for removing it.

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is irrelevant in the face of your perceptions of the Philadelphia Police Department. You are mistaken. The rest of your questions were asked elsewhere and

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We had the case of a "whistleblower and hero cop" who "died in a mysterious on-the-job scuba diving incident the day after he testified against Sergeant (

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text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use external websites as a source of

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the user's talk page, allegations of racial bias are likely best addressed at a higher venue. While numerous options are available (see, for example,

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This is a rewrite of a section that was added to the article. Another editor deleted the original while I was reworking it, then undid my revision,

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In addition to allotting too much of the article to one ill-defined recent issue, the edit is heavily biased, as was the case with the prior issue.

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victim was Philly PD officer. This would be similar to a list of drunk drivers who were members of an auto club in the article about the auto club.

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As for the content itself, let's start start with the basic idea here that the event is notable in its own right, has its own article section (at

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The memorial clause also states that the person should be notable. What makes these people anymore notable than any other fallen public servant?

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Any reason not to trim down some detail (specifically census stuff) & move "Call to Action: 10,000 Men" section to notable events section?

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Thanks for the clarification, I meant to say "hypothesize" rather than "conclude". The differences in the article are truly shocking.

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ALERT! ALERT! Orwellian removal of Misconduct SECTION and ENTIRE SEPARATE "Misconduct in the Philadelphia Police Department" ARTICLE

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provided to: a) establish their membership in the list's group; and b) to establish their notability on either BLP1E or BIO1E."--

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It does: objective criteria from The Centre for Contemporary History and the Berlin Wall Memorial Site and Documentation Centre.

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information that should be included as fair warning to the demonstrators: "Police misconduct in Philadelphia, by the numbers"

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1970s (which had it's own section in that article), whose findings stand to the present as far as the public is aware.

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to add that date alongside, rather than in place of, the later date, but it's still not acceptable in the absence of a

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more Coast Guard officers on two other vessels attempted a rescue". There were no cops involved in a plot because

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Sorry, I didn't get the ping. I've lost the SummerPhD account's password and have been editing as SummerPhDv2.0.

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Thanks. I agree with the removal, just thought it would be informative for Kaecyy and the Orwellian theory.

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of Philadelphia and the limited duties of the Sheriff's office should be made here.

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I have attempted to rename this section "Misconduct" as the target article,

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about the Philadelphia Police Department. Imagine the list we could have at

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killed during the first "confrontation" with members of the organizathion

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Your edits and reasoning are completely sound. I'll keep an eye as well.

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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add

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SECONDED! The misconduct section was long for many very good reasons.

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with another article on your talk page, but you then blocked me.--

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Please note the officer in question is a living person. As such,

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as they are not from an independent reliable source. Please read

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