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Sibylla" throughout the rest of her life. It's "Dowager Hereditary Princess". Of course she was also "Dowager Duchess of Westrobothnia". So, I believe that her used title during the widowhood was never "Princess Sibylla of Sweden" or "Princess Sibylla, whatever". Rather, it was a combination between two very individual titles: "Sveriges änkearvfurstinna" and "Änkehertiginna av Västerbotten", or those ytwo titles used alternatively, often depending on context. For example, when visiting North or having something to do for or with or on behalf of Västerbotten, she certaibly was calles as its Dowager Duchess. Also, quite regularly, if the context needed a hint that she is Charles Gustav's mother, quite often (but not always) she was put then as "Änkearvfurstinna" when CG was young "Sveriges arvfurst" and then from 1951 onwards, the young "Sveriges kronprins".
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English? There are persons here who go around and contribute nothing substantial nor informative - they seem only to revert and move. Do you know anything factual how she was even styled in English publications when widow? Really factual. Like, verbatim examples of real use. That would be a contribution to the discussion. Kindly provide them, as you decided to took upon that aspect.
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Frustrating. Your mind might be one-track. As far as I see, only you said anything about moving this article. We are not discussing about how she was known in
English. Prsgoddess asked how she was styled/ titled when widow. Of course that means in Sweden, mostly, where her titles originated. So, why
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English-speaking country was behind Sibylla's those titles she asked about ("Princess Sibylla of Sweden, Duchess of Västerbotten"). And what comes to your explanation about your informal education, that of course is useful to know. Your remark "I see you have provided nothing to
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Sibylla's married life took place entirely during Gustav V's reign, so she was all that time The
Arvfurstinna, and The duchess of Westrobothnia. When she widowed, her titulary "froze" - she was never awarded any title of crown-princess or queen-mother, though such could have been possible by a
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English Knowledge (XXG) and Prsgoddess was referencing English usage and asking if there were variations. I have an informal education in royal history... My experience is largely what I have absorbed from noted authors, publications, etc. I mostly see the
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I was just wondering how she was referred to after her husband's death, but prior to her own. Just one of those little tidbits of info I find interesting. No title change, as this is the proper place for her, but maybe more detailed info in the titles section of her page.
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it is not a reliable source since it's a blog against the Swedish king. I don't love my king, but I want to se evidence of what is written about his mother. Therefore I will take away that part of the article.
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What are the facts concerning Princess Sibylla's old 60'ies Cadillac? The sightings and people claming to have ridden, owned or purchased this fabulous automobile are as common as those who have spotted Elvis.
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