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other template may potentially bring unreferenced information, whether it's provided by user or not. As I said earlier this doesn't make up a fair reason to revert it. Did you also fail to see that sources are few clicks away in the article's body? Did you check Wikidata entry?
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Not "tagged", removed. That has happened here, so if you would like to reinstate it, ensure that the sourcing deficiencies are corrected and then you may do so. You could be doing that right now instead of this, and it would be far more productive.
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isn't relevant here as its the subject is as notable as he could be. I strongly disagree that this policy can justify disputed reverts; you also can just go to Wikidata and remove entries without references, that's it.
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OK, fair enough, but this is a change that would only affect this one page, not the whole template or category. Surely adding the data by hand would take less time and effort than has already been spent on this RfC.
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is clear: If an edit is challenged due to unreferenced or poorly referenced information, the editor who wishes to make the edit is responsible to correct the referencing deficiencies
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Nikkimaria's objection was that the template brought in unreferenced or poorly referenced information. So, while you are asking if I read the discussion, I might question whether
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No, it's not. It may touch a lot of information. One is assumed to tell which part of the text requires sourcing at last. Nothing warrants speedy reverts/removals anyway (see
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One doesn't reject or go into source code of a template if someone invoked the said template with a wrong data. You can for instance copy the information and put
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Please disengage. You failed to understand what actually this thread is about. I also ask you to revert your recent 3OR edits mentioned above. One has to follow
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won't keep in check text and citations if they are specified manually however; it also doesn't fetch references specified on the Wikidata. --
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You can do it. Read the first reply and template docs. Such replies aren't going to get counted per lack of weight when RfC is closed.
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It has useful clues on which policies you have to follow in order to avoid being disruptive here; take a look; I've requested
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What entries do you want the sources on? You can't just revert everything under a pretext of lacking certain reference. See
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it. I also don't get which information I'm supposed to give sources to. Did you actually read discussion? Did you read
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Well, I spent time on filling wikidata entries already, and was going to add infobox/wikidata to several articles.
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I'd like to control what goes into an infobox more precisely. This is more difficult with a Wikidata infoboxl.
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The template you want to insert pulls unsourced and poorly sourced data by design - that's a sourcing issue.
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This is easily confirmed by comparing the output of the template to what is and is not sourced at Wikidata.
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parameter or dealt with by other means (see discussion above). One may provide citations manually; the
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backwards here - you want to make an addition, it's up to you to get consensus for it, and to
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either failed or didn't want to checkout in the article/Wikidata. He/she is also failed to
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provides details. I asked several times here and in a separate, but related discussion:
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equally of face sanctions. We don't need here any superficial approach on answering
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Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed.
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Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the
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If you believe that the material is referenced, you are welcome to
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provides sources, but they aren't displayed in the template yet.
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It saves users from filling out all the fields of infoboxes
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Please, discuss it here, no need for pointless reverts. --
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is one of our core policies, and it is entirely clear:
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This article has been checked against the following
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