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I just saw that that the original quote is actually 「飛子雲與張憲書雖不明，其事體莫須有．」(quoted from the academia sinica website). The translation still should be the same, just that it speaks of "其事體", "this matter", other than that this is just an ordinary case of a preposed object.
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