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I just learned today, Mar. 8, '07, that Robin Olds is in the intensive care ward of the
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Sounds good to me, Dave. I will dig out my sources and start through it. The August date is completely plausible. Also, I saw that episode with Olds on its first go-round, and there was at one time mention of it in the article, but that as my ancestors would say was many moons ago. I'm going to set
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I know this might sound funny but Olds was interviewed on the documentary show - "Dogfights" about an escort mission over the skies of Nazi
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Several sources claim that Olds intentionally avoided shooting down a fifth MiG, even during opportunities to do so, because he believed he would be immediately relieved of command as a celebrity. Buckboard’’ Could this be clarified ? Is the meaning that had Olds scored another confirmed kill he
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