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the source is minor, things will have to be reported as minority opinions. But assume good faith and work with them to bring the article to where it represents the broadest possible view, keeping with policies. One thing I believe is clear based on a Roger Bacon bio I read a year or so ago is that the
Aristotle he studied had gone through translation from the Greeks to the Arabs and later back to Latin. There's no doubt that he was influenced by Arab writing and thought; but we'll need to consult sources to see what can be said about that.
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european proponent of the scientific method, beholden to islamic forerunners'. Given the hostility between
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informed consensus about a candidate has only been established in the last few decades), but a strong case has to be made for treating those two as qualitatively different? Alternative candidates have to be presented before a difference in the level of certainty can even be admitted? Boggling! Even
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What is dubious about it? This is a very readable and easy-to-obtain book (try ebay) which covers Bacon's life and times. Blish spent several years researching the book, from 1958 until it was published in 1964, with Anne Faber of Faber and Faber as well as several other academics providing detailed
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Avicenna, Averroes and Maimonides were mere transmitters of Greek knowledge. This cannot be further from the truth. For example, Ibn Al-Haytham's work on optics was probably the earliest recorded use of the complete "Scientific Method" (the basis of Modern Science). Such bias
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A few outstanding minds like Roger Bacon stood out, but they were regarded with great suspicion by the Church. Small wonder that Bacon had vast contempt for the prevailing knowledge of his time and he thought that he could learn more from the man in the street than from renowned scholars. He felt
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The assertion that Bacon was imprisoned (allegedly by the head of his own Franciscan order) ïŹrst originates some eighty years after his death and has drawn skepticism on these grounds alone. Scholars who ïŹnd this assertion plausible connect it with Baconâs attraction to contemporary prophecies that
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1904) Hime gunpowder theory, which not only gave the dubious decryption of a non-working formula, but did it in order to prove that Bacon was the first to discover gunpowder, and that he was hiding from the inquisition. One cannot escape the feeling that there was a veneer of British nationalism in
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The last chapter of their book starts with "INSTEAD OF BEING THE MAKING OF BACON'S REPUTATION, the cipher manuscript turned out to be the ruin of it." Never mind that no serious work on Bacon has spent any time on the Voynich MS before or after. And they wildly flap their arms on the edge of the
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Agree on most of your points. The peacock claims need to be rewritten -- he was a major figure but not one of the most commanding intellects. The claim about the spectrum is definitely off -- particularly since Bacon (like most of his contemporaries) distinguished light from color. On the other
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This article accepts as fact the assertion that the unnamed Doctor at Paris attacked in the Opus Minus and Opus Tertium is Albertus Magnus. It doesn't even mention that the attacks are on an unnamed person widely thought to be Albertus (although many who think so may be equally ignorant of the
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has been argued to differ from modern experimental science" Can anyone expand on what is meant by this? If I remember correctly, I once heard Lindberg speak on this subject, and I was unimpressed with his grasp of experimental science. He seemed to think there was something wrong with some of
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There is some kind of Islamic propaganda-wave hitting Knowledge. Articles completely unrelated to the subject of Islam or Muslims are being rearranged, like this one, to credit Muslims who had no involvemnt. Roger Bacon is widely considered 'The Father of the Scientific Method', not 'an early
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is a real headache - I gave it a go at University. Nevertheless, I suspect the assertion does have some validity - there are very few English language books that are not scholarly in form and function that give an account of Roger Bacon. In addition, there does not appear to be much research
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This is back at jdcomix. I was responding to an earlier post. If you want to bash me.... you are bashing the truth. It was only a reply to a previous comment. Not everything has to be perfectly fact only and always technical. Sometimes it needs simple things to make things clearer. đŹđĄ
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Probably a good way to get closer to NPOV on the role of Islamic thought on Roger Bacon would be to look at the literature. I was just browsing bibliographies for recent publications on Bacon and came across two new studies of the influence of Alhacen (ibn al-Haytham) on his thought:
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Actually Roger Bacon was intimately familiar with esoteric Arab knowledge, religious, scientific and otherwise. He lectured at Oxford wearing what would now be called Sufi robes. For more details on this and unimpeachable sources, see Idries Shah's "The Sufi s", Octagon Press.
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His life seems to peter out in 2010, with no mention of when, where and how he died. A death date of 11 June 1294 gets quite a run on Google, although some cites say it's "possible" or "probable" rather than "certain". A death year of 1292 is also found. --
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me, fearing that my writings would be divulged to others than to the chief pontiff and themselves," and that they treated him with "unspeakable violence" and "for ten years had been exiled from former University fame." Though the late-14th century
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is the most non-scholarly English language account of Bacon's life. Would this perhaps be a better way to phrase the statement ? comments please - I can make the correction very quickly, if you would like me to do so (and its a quick job too!)
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the time of the supposed imprisonment. As such, the current text is patently misleading and needs to be replaced. I will use the text I was preparing and hope other editors help improve and expand the topic from this new starting point.
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