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your contribution intact because it is not wrong per se and because I am not the sole editor of
Knowledge, everybody has the right to have his/her own say. However on my webpage I have indeed kept the term "sod." Even if "sod" sounds outdated that aspect doesn't hurt a poem which itself is more than a hundred years old.
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a link, for example, that goes into the process of translation, and gets something considerably better than what is here (not to promote that particular translation). Keeping the meter so that it can be sung is a valiant goal, but if it ends up with bad
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That was exactly my point. There's no reason to have amateur translations on the main page, me or you or anyone. The above version shows what happens when you translate so that it scans line by line equally with the same meaning, keeps the meter, and the rhyme as well. There was just an outside link
1418:. That's a fine way to wreck Rosalia's poetry. Nevertheless you are as entitled to write your own translation as I was. Still I do reserve the right to erase my contribution completely. Please write your own version of "Black Shadow" if you want to and link to your webpage or put your name to it.
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Robbins: "I belong in this valley, on this peaceful sod." Only if Marty were a cow would he long to "live forever on this peaceful grass" (closing line of the song). The line makes sense if reworked as "Let me live forever on this peaceful native land" ("where my fathers have trod"). I left
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You are welcome. Why "From"? Well, Rosalia is not on the sun so the sentence, "On/In the very sun you taunt me" would make little sense or be dangerously ambiguous at best. "From" conveys the right perspective: Rosalia is looking up at the sun and sees the Black Shadow instead of the bright orb.
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Anyways, I'm no expert, certainly neither in translation nor in gallego, but since the source of the translation is just some guy, not anyone particularly notable with regard to translation, I don't see any reason to stick perfectly to what is there. So I'm changing a few lines to what I think work
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At the very least, for Negra Sombra, "tornas facéndome mofa" could be "you come back again to mock me"; "gone" could be "left," "rumour" could be "murmur," And so on. User:Szfski's line (on his website he links to) "You are all and all becomes you" is much better than the current verse; "For me you
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BTW: here's a translation of "Adiós ríos, adios fontes," keeping the rhyme scheme. Again, I'm not sure if maintaining this sort of strictness is worth awkwardness of phrase, but it's an attempt, and, for what it's worth, I think it's better than what's on the page right now.
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live and in me you dwell," is what I might use instead of the current line, which is awkward; "Never to abandon me" could be next, and the last line would much better, as mentioned in the note, with "shades" instead of "haunts" because of the repetition of sound.
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In my opinion, that meaning is obsolete and doesn't work in this case. You were right to leave it as "land". If you're not convinced, we can ask more people. By the way, in the Marty
Robbins song, "sod" means "grass", not "native land".
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