Talk:Rajbanshi people - Knowledge (XXG)

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the Koch language belongs to the "Tibeto-Barmi" language family. At present Koch people are protesting in "Meghalaya" demanding preservation of "Koch language", even in Assam. Here "Koch-Rajbonshi language" refers to the language of the Koch race. But as a result of dhamantkaran Rajbanshi caste is now divided into different sects like: Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian. Not only is it anthropologically proven, but if you take a closer look yourself, you will understand the physiological path of the Rajbanshi Kshatriya race and the Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) race. Especially between "Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste" and "Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste", the skin color of "Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste" is relatively brite. Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste has higher under eye bones than Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste, The Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) people have a wider front of the nose and the middle part of the two eyes is small as compared to the Rajbanshi Kshatriyas. The Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) race has broad shoulders and heavier body than the Rajbanshi Kshatriya race. But due to living side by side for a long time, the Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste and the Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste had matrimonial relations. As a result, in many Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste or Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste families, children born from the same mother's have the two type body structure of two brothers or two sisters. But in those families where that mixture did not happen, the facial structure of the children of those families is the same. This mixture is more common in Assam and Assam bordering West Bengal. Also seen in other places. In families in which this admixture is found, there is no difficulty in understanding the matter by investigating the previous family marital history of the family. But painfully, many people make various wrong comments about the Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste without knowing it, it is never desirable.

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Tibeto-Burman languages in this page. So,I pray to you correction the issue. Actually Koch-Rajbanshi people(Koch) is a Tebeto-Burman speaker. But present time Koch-Rajbanshi (Koch) People speake Rajbanshi language. 2)History content: Jogendra Nath Mandal actually belongs to Namasudra Community. He not to belongs Rajbanshi and Koch-Rajbanshi community but unfortunately impute in this page. So, I pray to you, verify the actual information. Issues are very serious. I again apple to you, present incorrect issues willbe suspend and after verification upload the actual correct information. Thanks.

823:. Sources like Gait can only be used with exceptional care, but clearly not if their framework is completely outdated, such as the use of "Dravidian" as a racial term. Modern secondary sources won't heal this when they uncritically quote obsolete terminology. We can mention obsolete stuff for historical interest (e.g. "Gait (1906) proposed a "Dravidian" affiliation in a now abandoned racial sense"), but *not* in Wikivoice. In mean, in all earnest, how can you uncritically cite in an 21th-century encyclopedic article from a source that speaks of "Mongoloid stock"? – 1340:

dynasty. So the group is mostly related to the people who formed the koch dynasty rather than a language, a member of this group might be living in garo hills so they might speak garo a tibeto burman language, while living in bangladesh they will speak bengali a indo aryan language, so this group is much more related to the group who formed the koch dynasty than to a particular language, and so the first sentence of the article says rajbanshi as a

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Community and language is Koch-Language (Tebet-Berma Language).But Presently they are accepted Ariyan Language (Kamtapuri/Rajbanshi language) and Matrimonial Relations with Rajbanshi-Kshatriya Cast. So, I pray to you, verifay the actual information. This is very serious issue. And again Apple to you, present incurrect information willbe suspend and after verification upload the actual correct information. Thanks.🙏 hat

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few woard and information alredy currected but so many mejore unethical woard and information are not currect at present. Last day I try to correction the atpersent incurrect information and woard with reference, but unfortunately that try delited by a person. That person insulted me and my community, including Indian constitution. These are very serious issue.

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Not without mentioning one thing here. That is, under the influence of the Kshatriya movement of the 19th-20th century, along with the Bratya Kshatriyas, some other castes, including the Koch caste, declared themselves as Rajbanshi Kshatriyas and changed their titles (das, mandal, sarkar, koch, etc.)

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It has been argued by a section that “Koch” and “Rajbongshi” are different from each other while another section of people argues that these two constitute a single community. Among these, a few argue that only the “Koches” are tribe but not the “Rajbongshis,” hence increasing the degree of confusion

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1, while individual B belongs to taxon 2", and on a larger scale, "ethnicities B and C belong to taxon 3, while ethnicity D does not". That's the very concept of race, and this kind of thinking is pseudoscientific crap. To call WP's rejection of pseudoscience "political correctness" flies in the face

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Reference: 1) A History of Ancient and Early Medieval India by Upinder Singh. 2) Chandragupta Maurya and His Times by Radhakumud Mukherjee. 3) India in the Age of the Nandas / Chandragupta and Bindusara by Hem Chandra Raychaudhuri. 4) Rajbanshi Kshatriya Jatir Itihas by Upendra Nath Barman. 5) The

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Note: Not without presenting an important point here. The popularity of the above mentioned "Gambhira (Gamira) festival" in Maldaha, Dinajpur, Rangpur, Bogura, Rajshahi, Haldibari block of Cooch Behar district, Terai region of Jalpaiguri district, Siliguri sub-division and undivided Purniya district

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Linguists have proven that two languages arose directly from the Banga-Kamrupi/Banga-Assamese language: 1) Bengali and 2) Assamese. From that point of view, Rajbanshi language (Banga-Assamese/Banga-Kamrupi) is the mother of Bengali and Assamese languages. But linguists have succeeded in proving that

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Even modern research has proved that the language of the Poundra Kshatriya people of ancient Pundrabardhan has changed in many ways over time and today the language is called Rajbanshi (Kamtapuri) and even this language is known by different names from place to place. For example: Tajpuri, Rongpuri,

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But interestingly "Roy, Chowdhury, Singha, Sinha, Barman, the use of surnames was from ancient times among the Rajbanshis in the districts of Rangpur, Dinajpur, Rajsahi, Bogura and undivided Purnia. But later in the Koch race, that mistake was broken and introduced himself as ‘Koch-Rajbanshi’. {When

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Respected Sir/Madam, I belongs from Rajbanshi Kshatriya Community, I follow the Wikipidia. I follow the Rajbanshi people page in Knowledge (XXG) last few months and then I see so many incurrect unethical woard and information, after that I try to currection the woard and Information with reference,

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Sir, The Koch tribe, The Koch caste and Koch-Rajbanshi people’s are same caste. Today, they speak various Indo-Aryan languages, though the past might have spoken Tibeto-Burnan languages, this is right. But The Rajbanshi,also Rajbongshi are a same Cast and Kshatriya Hindu verna. Rajbanshi(Rajbongshi)

1601:, we can't present their communal POV in Wikivoice. It is important to have some background information, but it shouldn't be expanded here into a (POV-)fork of an existing article. The article should focus on the actual community, from its emergence to its present status (including ST aspirations). – 3073:

The Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) language belongs to the "Tibeto-Barmi" group and the caste belongs to the Mongoloid group. But the Rajbanshi (Kamtapuri) language belongs to the Ariyan language group and the caste is Rajbanshi (Poundra Kshatriya). In the 4th century BC, after being defeated by the Magadha

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To The Knowledge (XXG) adminstration, Respected Sir, Few time ago I follow a very serious issue. This Article are mentioned "Rajbanshi and Koch-Rajbanshi" are same Cast. But actually Rajbanshi Cast are Kshatriya Community and language is Rajbanshi-Language (Ariyan). But Koch-rajbanshi Cast are Koch

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I agree it appears to be Cherrypicking as i didn't write more because i couldn't read the article (I thought i will write later from other articles but now it seems it's not possible because I don't want to waste my time convincing you). But Rajbanshi history is attested since early 19th century so

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Above citation is simply inconsistent with the distinguish template "Not to be confused with Koch people or Koch (caste)." Rajbongshi itself is a heterogenous group, no way all these social groups - Rajbongshis, Koch tribe and Koch caste could be of same origin. This is a lame claim for political

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That Gait might be referring to linguistic affinities is clearly false, because he was trying to explain away the discrepancy between Dalton and Risley. The explanation was a means to reconcile the two, not reject either of them. If Gait was referring to linguistic affinities then he should have

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Gait doesnot speculate, he claims that there is a Dravidian speaking community, and he claims affinities- which meant a Dravidian speaking group, he doesnot claim a racial group, also it is opinion given Nath, why is there so hurry to remove this single sentence?? all opinions must be inserted, no

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Similarly, Rajbanshi (Kamtapuri) language should be included in the Eighth Schedule of the Indian Constitution and Rajbanshi language should be given the status of classical language. At present the official language of Nepal and West Bengal, the Rajbanshi language. The Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) race

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Due to living side by side for a long time, most of the Koch people have forgotten their own language and there they speak Rajbanshi (Kamtapuri), Bengali and Assamese. In the future, if the Koch language is not protected and taught, this ancient Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) language will be lost forever

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The Mongoloid population mixed with the Kamrup Rajbanshi Kshatriya race a lot. But in the western part of the Ratnapeeth of Kamrup, the mixture of these two types is very less, it can be understood. So three kinds of influence are to be seen in the Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste. This premise confuses

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In summary, various discourses on Rajbanshi origins present conflicting interpretations. Nevertheless, neither history nor studies in anthropometrics or linguistics characterize them as a homogenous group. Moreover, determining Rajbanshi preferences for identifi�cation is challenging and requires

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3. Rajbongshi is title. Origin of People with Rajbongshi title is debatable. And Rajbongshi identity itself very confusing. Halder, Tarun Kr. (2017-06-25). "Koch Rajbanshi identity question - An analysis from historical perspective" (PDF). International Journal of Applied Research 2017. There

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I am also showing one or two examples. Eg: 1) "Hudumdyao Puja" is prevalent among "Koch-Rajbonshi caste", but this puja is not prevalent among Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste. 2) "Gambhira (Gamira) festival" is prevalent among "Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste", but this festival is not prevalent among Koch

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From the following paragraph, it is clear that Roy adheres to second view (= "these two constitute a single community"). This is however inconsistent with the final paragraph of the lede, which follows Kondakov (2013) and distinguishes the Indo-Aryan speaking Rajbanshis (described as a confluent

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The group is a amalgation of different tibeto burman tribes united under the name of Koches who formed the Koch dynssty which was given to them by uppercaste hindus, later the name koch gave them a horrible taste so they changed the name to rajbanshi in early 1900s to claim to belong to the koch

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Can we please also throw out the references to "Mongoloid" in the sections "Origin" then? There must be a way we can cite from Nath without relying on his obsolete wishy-washy terminology. Nath says that most Koches physically resemble Bodo groups, but "in some limited areas" (p. 4) display more

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The Rajbanshi Kshatriyas defeated the Kirats of Pragjotishpur in the 4th century AD, established a new dynasty and named the kingdom "Kamrup", the dynasty known as the Barman dynasty of Kamrup. Later, the rule of various dynasties was established in Kamrup, among them the rule of Roy dynasty is

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There is a political tussle in those lands now, and some other ethnicities look at assertive narrations such as that related to the Kamatapur movement warily. Knowledge (XXG), OTOH, has no business either legitimizing or delegitimizing movements and national aspirations. There is not need to

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Actually, I removed it earlier but it was reverted by Ekdalian and he asked me to seek consensus. So I started this discussion and I want to leave this discussion. Based on comments from multple editors I felt we have consensus that the "origin" part of the quotation is wrong and so it can be

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Mr. Risley, while admitting an intermixture with Mongoloid stock, holds that Dravidian characteristics predominate. This divergence of views seems to have arisen from the confusion caused by the use of the term Rajbansi, which originally referred to an entirely distinct community of Dravidian

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Rajbanshi Kshatriya and Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi) caste do not belong to the same caste. "Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste belongs to Poundra Kshatriya (Sujat Kshatriya) and Ariyan language group". But “Koch-Rajbonshi caste belongs to Koch caste and language belongs to Tibeto-Barmi group”. In Gourbanga

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The Rajbanshi(Rajbongshi)is a Indo-Aryan speaking community. This subject already prooved by many linguist. (Supported by sources: 1)The Origin and Development of the Bengali language. By Suniti Kumar Chatterjee., 2)Kamtapuri Bhasa Sahityer Ruprekha. By Dharmanarayan Barma., 3)Linguistic to

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Later, in the 15th century, Kamtapur was occupied by the "Khen Dynasty". In 1498 AD, Kamtapur was conquered by the Muslim rulers. But those rulers did not last long. Kamatapur was then divided into many parts and anarchy ensued. Finally, in the year of 1515 the rule of the Koch Dynasty was

1033:. And part of this consideration is that solid modern scholarship has priority over obsolete racialist BS that (disdainfully and in a dehumanizing way) categorized South Asian ethnicities and castes based on superficial features such as skin color and lip shape. And I don't support to give 2245:

To The Knowledge (XXG) Adminstration, Respected Sir, Few time ago I follow this page updated one day ago, but few very serious issue at present the page. 1)1st Para: The Rajbanshi,also Rajbongshi is a actually spoken Indo-Aryan language family from ancient time, but unfortunately indicate

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I added an ethnographic paper by Rajib Nandi and this paper is very good. I would suggest rewriting the article becaue it presents Rajbanshi's claims to legitimise their Kamatapur movement based on colonial ethnography. History section claim that Koches climbed caste hierarchy and claimed

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This article says Koch and Rajbanshis are same community (You too advocate this, Right?). I was curious to know and I found so I added who is the first person to discover this connection. I don't understand how my edit is problematic. My source is peer-reviewed article so it is

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group of ethnic peoples. Additionally, there exists a Koch "caste" in Assam where all previously ethnic non-Indo-Aryans find themselves in - from Tiwa, and other communities. And then there is the Rajbanshi people who are called the "nation-building" group associated with the

2365:"In West Bengal and Bihar, they are known as "Rajbongshi and "Rajbanshi", " in Assam as "Koch," and "Koch-Rajbongshi," and in Meghalaya mainly as "Koch." Though the community is known by diverse names in different states, their origin is the same, that is, "Koch." (Roy 2018) 2594:

We cannot have a separate article about the Koch that speak a Sino-Tibetan languages and have not undergone this sociocultural assimilation process on the one hand, and at the same time lightheatedly say in a note they are the same group as the "Sanskritized" Rajbanshi.

2633:" So he clearly defines that Koch-Rajbanshis as those who were originally animists, who later on were sanskritized due to the influence of the Koch royal family ("rajbanshi") and then began calling themselves as "Rajbanshi" to claim Kshatriya status in the 19th century. 1916:, I would say there are some contradictory claims in the article. These things need to be balanced. Some source are PhD theses so we need to take care of WP:DUE and Nandi is peer-reviewed ethnographic paper which is undoubtedly a comprehensive study about Rajbanshi. 2638:

The Koch of western Meghalaya also claim relationship with those empire-building Koch. On the other hand, Koch is known as a Hindu caste found all over the Brahmaputra Valley (Majumdar 1984: 147), and receives converts to Hinduism from different tribes (Gait 1933:

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Yes, Rajbanshi as a social and cultural group can subsume multiple groups, but when it comes to origin of the group, whose claims matter - Rajbanshi intellectuals who are pre-selecting historical details to support a specific theory or Historians/Anthropologists ?

2429:, I would request you all to share your valuable opinion considering that the user Northeast heritage wants to remove sourced information from the article. I have reverted the same more than once; and as you are aware, I believe in consensus. Thanks. 668:

Risley—he just explained the difference between Risley, Dalton and Hogdson with a speculative spin of his own. He specifically attributes another un-named community with "Dravidian affinities", where clearly he is using Dravidian as a racial

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Wilson&Bashir 2016 discusses Historical origin of Rajbanshi. They provide multiple examples to prove Rajbanshi is not a homogeneous group. You can verify yourself. I am quoting the conclusion of the section given in the peer-reviewed

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in their facial structure, race is a spectrum but that doesnot mean we cannot recognise the difference between a Chinese and a Pashtuns, similarly between a dark looking caucasian features (no racism) vs a group having oriental feature

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Not all colonial observation are wrong. It is certain that Mongoloid as a racial term is outdated and so is Dravidian but the people who surveyed the area saw the physical features of the two groups as completely different, the first

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Today when Rajbanshi or koch-rajbanshi term is used, it includes people whose ancestors were koch and whose ancestors were not koch. So it is ridiculous to argue that author is using that term only for people whose ancestors were

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Koch Rajbangshi are not related to Islam and Nashya Shaikh... We bebongs to koch Dynasty.. The historical evidence says the we are koch Rajbangshi people under the leadership of Biswa Singha ( father of Narayan and Bir Chilarai)

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4. So, Koch people , Koch-Rajbanshi people and Rajbognshi people separate three article will be appropriate because As per Government record Koch(ST in Meghalaya , SC in WB ) , Koch-Rajbansi (OBC) and Rajbanshi(SC in WB) .

1534:, ramirez 2014 has clarified it, furthur more this group is a accumulation of different tribes, why is these being removed , the author nath (1989) has clearly wrote it in his book, the koches has groups like koch, mech, garo 1168:"southernish" South Asian ancestry which he ascribes to more recent intermarriage. In the end, only modern genetics can come up with meaningful observations for the purpose of determining the orgin of the Koch Rajbongshis. – 514:

Change the TITLE NAME from RAJBONGSHI PEOPLE to Gariya Moriya People. Check the histroy and write correct information on this page. Information Posted in your page related to Gariya Moriya Community not RAJBONGSHI PEOPLE.

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you are using the term mongoloid and dravidian which are outdated terms, the author is putting reference to colonial times, how is it that you can use a outdated terms while you keep reverting others when they do the same

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So let's look what's the difference between Nath's book and this WP article: Nath's book has c. 250 pages, while this article has less than 25k bytes in scope. Obviously, the format of Nath's book allows him to include

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Well, the first lede sentence with the degrading "assertive" leaves a different first impression. Even though it is well sourced, they way it is used here is quite remote from the author's intentions. It reminds me of

1139:) and at the same time indulge in its fruits, that's weird. And no, race is not a "spectrum". Individual physical appearance is. Talking about race is the antithesis of a spectrum. Race means "individual A belongs to 1860:

Kshatriya/Rajbongshi identity but this claim is very recently accepted by Rajbongshis based on colonial ethnography. Earlier they criticised colonial ethnographers and denied their possible common-origin with Koches.

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That acute observer Bryan Hodgson classed the Koch with the Bodo and Dhimal and the same view is taken by Buchanan and in the Dacca Blue Book. On the other hand, Colonel Dalton considered them to be Dravidian, and

1576:, which has its own page and therefore is not needed here, and not enough describing the community. The history section should focus on how the community came to be described as "Rajbanshi" and how it was formed. 2180:

There are a lot of political positioning regarding these identities, and Knowledge (XXG) should not concern itself with these. For example, a section of Koch people ally with the Rabha people in the Brahmaputra

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Origin and Development of the Bengali language. By Suniti Kumar Chatterjee. 6) Kamtapuri Bhasa Sahityer Ruprekha. By Dharmanarayan Barma. 7) Linguistic to Sociolinguistic Reconstruction. By Mathew WS Toulmin.

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Apparently, the only purpose of the quote here is to support the alternate names of the community, and it is part of the reference, not used as part of the article's text. Not sure why it should be removed. -

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the movement started in Assam demanding a separate Kamtapur state, since then (late 20th century),We are wellknown that time a student body called "All Koch-Rajbanshi Student Union (Akrashu)" made in Assam.}

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affinities, but was afterwards adopted by the Koches west of the Manas river, who, when they attorned to Hinduism, appropriated the caste name of the most numerous Hinduized community in their neighbourhood.

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Thanks. According to a research paper, half of the Rajbongshi samples had TB specific paternal lineages, but the rest are typical of the neighboring Indo-Aryan speakers (Bihar, Bengal, Nepal, Assamese). -

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So, the observation about the Koches are different and there exist people in present North Bengal and Bihar who speak dravidian languages, it is said rajvamsi originally were a dravidian affinities group.

1381:- they aspired to higher social status with the Brahma movement, and now enjoy scheduled tribe status and autonomous district controls. All this has pit ethnic groups against one another, and we see the 1077:

is wrong, but what does it denies, it denies that race cannot be calculated in scientific terms but that does not mean a group with caucasian features is same as the groups with oriental features , are

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king Mahapadma Nanda, a large number of Poundra Kshatriyas took refuge in Ratnapith of Kamarupa, Nepal and Orissa. So still living in Sambalpur area of Orissa state and the language is also Rajbanshi.

2641:" Kondakov calls the "Rajbanshis" as "empire-building", and distinguishes the Koch of western Meghalaya as those who have maintained their original animist practices. Of significance here is that the 494:

Just because your community is not shown to be Greatest community in the world doesnt mean the information is wrong. Pls make constructive edits based on real evidences rather than your own thoughts.

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with the Bodos and Dhimals. So did Endle, who has classed the Rabhas, the Meches, Dhimals, Koches, Dimacas, Hojais, Lalung, Garos, Hajongs and such other tribes within the fold of the great bodo race

1279:, who objects to this addition. To help you out a bit: @Homogenie, who are then the non-Indo-Aryan speaking Rajbongshis? Isn't language shift part of the package that defines Rajbongshi identity? – 620:, infact if you read properly you would notice that Gait corrected Risley mistake of Koches having Oriental features (east and south east asian features) not Caucasian features. Here is the Quote: 1261: 2276:

is a Indo-Aryan speaking community. This issue already proof by many linguist. So, Rajbanshi (Rajbongshi) and Koch-Rajbanshi are not same community and are not same language speakers. Thanks.

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I think all the participants agree that the Rajbanshis (also Koch-Rajbanshis nowadays) have heterogeneous origin, as opposed to the claim by the Author. So it make sense to modify the quote.

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This article does not describe how disparate regions have Rajbanshi communties (Nepal, North Bengal, Assam) etc., and needless to say these communities speak different languages (Indo-Aryan).

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you are using Sarkar who refers to Dalton, Risley, Bryan Hodgson who are colonial ethnographers, how is it that you can add a author who refers to Risley, Dalton, but others can?? you are

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Please make your objection here. I undid your revert because you seem to misread it. It is not about primordiality, It is about the beginning of scholarship since the early 19th century.

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What I removed was already undone. Now you are removing all my edits like adding source, citation fixing. Don't you need fulfill WP:CONCENSUS to remove all my edits without any mistake?

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You seem to be making some assumptions about my intentions. As I have stated above, my intentions are solely based on what I understand by Knowledge (XXG) policies and conventions.

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with the Bratya Kshatriyas. Along with taking the titles Ray, Baman, Singha, Chowdhury, etc.) This had a great influence in Lower Assam, Cooch Behar and the Dooars of North Bengal.

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specifically as Koch-Rajbongshis (which is the topic of this article, and not the people factually or vaguely associated with the Koch dynasty) actually still speak ST languages? –

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Not just that, but this article has to be rewritten (the top banner says it all). Currently it sounds like a screed for making the community a scheduled tribe (WP:NOTADVOCACY).

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I have used both Sarkar as well as Nath on many different occasions. But if an author is quotable in one instance does not mean they are quotable in all. Nath here quotes Gait

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physical description of groups doesnot fall under racism, it is only when you terms like Mongoloid, Dravidian, etc. You can put physical description as pages like this use them

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important in history. Prithu Roy was the last Maharaja of Kamrup. Sandha Roy, son of Maharaja Prithu Roy, founded the "Kamtapur Kingdom" in 1228 AD after the fall of Kamarupa.

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This is not the place to discuss the validity of the claim that traces Koch-Rajbongshis to the Koch dynasty. We know that all over the world and also in NE India, communities

2713:. The notion, that indigenous groups are "pure" linguistically and ethnically, is not borne by evidence. It makes no sense to project today's ethnic groupings to the past. 1992:

The Rajbanshis, stated Buchanan-Hamilton, were the Koches who had adopted Hindu rituals and manners since the sixteenth century, following the princely family of Cooch Behar.

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The reason for the removal is given clearly. The claim that Nath mentions uncritically is sourced to colonial ethnographers, which are not reliable sources in this matter.

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that has been written about the Koch people for historical interest. This is something we obviously cannot do here. Given the encyclopedic format, we have to consider

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article clearly says they are related to Rajbongshis. The related ethnic groups parameter should mention groups linked linguistically, not by religion. As an example,

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Are you mad?This page is clearly about Koch Rajbongshi people.Why you are saying to change the name? Koch-Rajbongshis and Garia Marias are totally different people.

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What we should not do is project our current ethic identities to the past communities. Just because they are associated with a name "koch" does not mean anything.

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history for self-assertive purposes. But that doesn't de-exist those communities as self-identifying social groups. So again, who among the people who presently

3217:. You need to understand the rules and conventions followed in Knowledge (XXG); provide full citation as mentioned above if you want a constructive discussion. 1366:/Koch kingdom. The Rajbanshi people are those who changed their nomenclature in the west - Nepal, North Bengal and western Assam (which was not part of the 1299:

The linguistic change from tibeto-burman language to a indo aryan language of the rajbanshi is actually properly mentioned in lower section of the article

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In the nineteenth century the view expressed by census superintendents of Bengal was that the Rajbanshis were ethnically identical with the Koch and Paliya.

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many. Koch and Rajbanshi do not belong to the same caste. But many Koch people at one time (after 1911) declared themselves as Rajbanshi Kshatriya caste.

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The Koch Rajbanshis, who were primarily animists, were immensely influenced by the process of sanskritisation which was largely patronised by the royalty.

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It is not so much a question of correct or incorrect, but of different views about which groups can be subsumed under the (Koch-)Rajbanshi. Roy writes:

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I believe Chaipau cleared it in the above section. There seem to be three different groups - the Koch tribe, the Koch caste and the Rajbanshi people. -

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Source for above citation is Kapil Chandra Roy (2018), "Demand for Scheduled Tribe Status by Koch-Rajbongshis", Economic and Political Weekly, 53 (44)

3094:(Koch-Rajbonshi) caste. But there are exceptions to everything. Since the two races have been matrimonial due to living side by side for a long time. 727:

Gait said affinities, which could mean language, no reason to remove this when it gives us a different glimpse of the word "Rajbanshi". Besides, here

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Besides these categories and ethnicities were very often created or associated expressly for colonial purposes. For example as this sentence shows:

814: 779: 257: 146: 2731:. History of Rajbanshi is tenable since the time of Warren Hastings because a Rajbanshi had written a ballad on Rajbanshi people during that time. 1549:

Rajbanshis (or "Koch-Rajbongshis" etc.) speak anything other than IA languages. The IP has provided a source, Ramirez (2014) says the same thing. –

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Rajbanshis (or "Koch-Rajbongshis" etc.) speak anything other than IA languages. The IP has provided a source, Ramirez (2014) says the same thing. –

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is misreading these sources. Roy repeats where "Koch-Rajbanshis" live, after Nalini Ranja Ray (2009), and he says very clearly. He states that "

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Ekdalian, There are so many citations/references based on historical records which prove that not all Rajbanshis come from Koch. Im signing off.

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This article needs a complete re-write. I don't understand the purpose of this article. It seems to be caught in the cross-fire of propaganda.

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said so explicitly - but he didn't. So please do not keep using this argument. Inserting this with your own explanation is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.

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Knowledge (XXG) has no business in these "tribalization" controversies. I can see this happening in other pages as well. Please stop this.

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Koch caste of Eastern Assam, an intermediate stage of an established process of upward caste mobility open to many different ethnic groups

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WP:OR. Where is Gait claiming it is linguistic affinities and not racial? He is using "Dravidian" the same way Risley is using the term.

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exist Rajbongshi people in Bangladesh and Assam who claim to have different origin of Indo-Aryan & Dravidian Hindu & Kshatriya.

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Therefore, the two groups are related but different. And there is no difference between Roy's definition and Kondakov's definition.

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OK.. mention a sentence in quotes and the changed one according to you in quotes side by side. It will be easier to understand. -

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Since it's Rajbongshi article, it should begin with Rajbongshis, if their history can't be pushed beyond colonial era, so be it.

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Gait clearly states a Dravidian speaking community Rajbanshi, and corrected Risley, he didnot refer to Risley but corrected him

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The mongoloid tribe is a Koch tribe but after converted into Hinduism the great Koch family introduce themselves as a rajbanshi

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Please do not make disingenuous arguments. There is a general consensus on not using colonial sources here in Knowledge (XXG) (

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ethnicity that unites groups that have converted to Hinduism in recent times) from the tribal ST-speaking Koch in Meghalaya.

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was a botanist or at best a zoologist. How does he qualify as a ethnologist? Yes, his observations can be used for modern

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Gait is just as problematic as Hogdson, Risley and Dalton because he too was a colonial officer writing about ethnicities.

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Rajbanshi article is filled with numerous example where Rajbashi as social group originated from multiple ethnic groups.

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The Koch caste/jati in Assam are those who are in a Caste-Tribal continuum and receives members from different tribes.

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I have restored status quo ante. But we could still use this space to discuss and create WP:CONSENSUS for a change.

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I think we have an opportunity to make this a reliably sourced NPOV article and remove the top maintenance banner.

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Please ping other involved editors as well; you need to involve all concerned in order to arrive at a consensus!

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So why does this sentence not included the Paliya? Sorry, you cannot create ethnographies in Knowledge (XXG) by

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The Rajbanshi people wanted to improve their social status in the last decade of the 19th century and aspired to

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Though the community is known by diverse names in different states, their origin is the same, that is, "Koch."

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Well i wanted to add this because there is a huge controversy about who is Koch and Koch Rajbanshi like this

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the reference you keep inserting about the Rajbongshi association being Dravidian, please note the following:

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Hey SARATBOW, please provide modern scholarly work by reliable authors in order to support your statements!

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True. Both the tendencies are present here (and in other pages of ethnic communities from NE India/Assam).

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Reference Books name and writers are Internationally femus. Please collect books from book shop. Thanks.

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but they have taken to Indo-Aryan languages. Many in India are Hindu, and some in Bangladesh are Muslim.

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caste. Now the aspiration is for scheduled tribe status. This is quite similar to what happened in the

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Please remove the wikipedia page. This Rajbongshi Page, There some inappropiate information are posted.

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from the world. That is by no means desirable. The authorities should take some action in this regard.

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The etymology section is more concerned about explaining "Koch", whereas it should explain "Rajbanshi".

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Please do not keep reverting. You are inserting racial references into Knowledge (XXG) with this edit.

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What you find objectionable in the Rajbanshi people is true of nearly all groups, except possibly the

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please do note this issue coming up again. Please do not shoehorn this colonial claim in the article.

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Sorry, you need to provide references along with author & publisher names, url if possible (read

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Homogenie's account mixes up a number of things. The use of Koch is fluid. There is a well-defined

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is but one thing attesting, "Rajbanshi Kshatriya Jati" is an people of the ancient Pundrabardhana.

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may lead us to think that a group which oriental looks is similar to a caucasian group, certianly

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You are providing a wrong information about koch Rajbangshi people.. I will case a file against u

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I do not think Roy (2018) is providing a different definition than Kondakov (2013) or Ramirez. @

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Nation-building Koch (eventually Rajbanshi following a movement, late Sanskritization, mostly in

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The above is full of contradictions and misrepresentations. The entire edit should be deleted.

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of this article. I have tried to remove some of it today. Cherry-picked quotes are a bane!

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Thanks, I've readded about indo-aryan speaking as there is no more objection from homogenie.

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I already provide old and modern evidence. Please provide old and modern evidence your end.

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I agree. While much of the identity-construction of Rajbanshi activists revolves around the

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themselves have different divisions, and some of them are close to or have merged with the

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Apparently, the source is only used to support the alternate names of this community viz.

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So, I pray to you stop all unethical wark and correct all incurrect information. Thanks,

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I disagree with the removal of Roy (2018) from the definition and lead. I shall restore

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So what should keep us then from calling the present-day community Indo-Aryan speaking? –

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There is nothing like projecting today's ethnic groups to the past in this article like

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were all very dark and displayed the thick protuberant lips and maxillaries of the Negro

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Also, under WP:NOTEVERYTHING, not everything said deserves to be in the Knowledge (XXG).

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are an assertive identity related to those who took on that name after the movement by

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Please write the changes you want here in specific sentences, supported by sources. -

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Is the content of book wrong about the different views regarding koches. Also here

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3. Koch and Rajbanshi are different Scheduled caste peoples in West Bengal , India

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Goalpariya, Suryapuri, Barendri, Western Kamrupi, Banga-Kamrupi, Banga-Assamese.

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Difference between Rajbanshi Kshatriya Caste and Koch (Koch-Rajbanshi) Caste :

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rewrite the article. Nandi's article might be a RS for the an article on the

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and Koch-Rajbanshi people . Knowledge (XXG) is best website for information.

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Difference between Rajbanshi Kshatriya Caste and Koch (Koch-Rajbonshi)Caste:

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The quotes are wrong, this is what written in the book, this are not my words

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But there are really four different things and we need to keep them apart.

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Yeah. So keeping only the required part and removing the incorrect part.

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I don't see any consensus (as you have assumed) in the above discussion!

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Citation just after end of first line includes use of "Koch-Rajbongshi".

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For example, why should there be so much material of the Koch dynasty in

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want to be identified separately because they have own language. Sir ,

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Austronesir Rajbongshi is Indo-Aryan speaking community. Here the Proof

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pointed out; but now I see that this is problematic and have removed it.

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Rajbanshi Kshatriya races are mixed with Dravidian and Austrian races.

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a single line out the whole to give a different meaning to the article

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some difference to the Rajbanshi Kshatriya race in terms of worship.

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I don't see a problem removing that particular part from the quote. -

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that we will not use colonial ethnographers in this page itself. See

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The highlights in the quotes are wrong, obnoxious, and disdainful.

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and therefore he considered them as belonging to the dravidian Stock

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Do not keep reinserting this discredited issue again, as you did in

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I did not understand why the sourced content needs to be removed.

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weight to such fluff here unless in the context of articles about

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demand and it is completely opposite to anthropological studies.

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Please provide a reliable source that the people who identify as

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Include Koches in ST list, not Koch Rajbongshis: AAKA tells GoA

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http://censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Published/SCST/SC%20Lists.pdf

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of scientific consensus in modern biology and anthropology. –

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OK, removing this. I added a banner in a section instead.

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1. Koch is officially notified ST by Government of India.

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2. In Assam Officially , There is Koch-Rajbanshi people.

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Wikipedians don't interpret inner thought of the Author.

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The history section spends too much space describing the

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Sociolinguistic Reconstruction. By Mathew WS Toulmin.

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edits and this type of threats will get you blocked. -

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article is misleading original history and identity of

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scholarship, but is not acceptable uncritically here.

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Please prove your comment, with authentic evidence.

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