Talk:Re'im music festival massacre/Archive 2

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the page, and the 2 words can have very different context. There is no doubt this people are terrorist, making a terrorist act in the name of an organisation labelled as a terror organisation by many countries of the west, and that massacre could be described only as an act of terror by anyone who doesn’t have a clear agenda, and would undoubtedly be described as that by everyone, in a vacuum.

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going forward concentrate on the facts and not on me or you? If it's not too hard. I'd appreciate it. We have two facts: A. Josh Breiner said that police told him they hit. B. Police said that thy didn't say it. So what is the point to add misleading info and then correction saying it was misleading? With regards,

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police) pilots firing on "vehicles streaming back into Gaza from the Nova electronic music festival and nearby kibbutzes" and "on unarmed people exiting cars or walking on foot through the fields on the periphery of Gaza" saw) to the festival. The footage isn't from the festival. Haaretz on the other

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Are we trying to create a conspiracy theory that Police is trying to lie and cover it up? :) If it's not the case then I see no point to say the incorrect statement. But since we were able to show the truth at the end this is what matters. An intelligent reader will get the proper understanding after

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I just read it. I don't like it. Either it needs to go into more depth and detail the whole social media controversy regarding the incident and detail the debate on both sides, or it needs to be removed entirely because we don't know the truth behind the claims. The way it is now does not necessarily

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Nevertheless, the article being from October 15th is actually very relevant because it proves that it was the original source for the video being discussed. It's not until about a month later that the article's video, often shared with the article itself, began making rounds on social and traditional

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It was a party, there was no army there. That's why no one was killed in the crossfire either. The survivors resent the fact that the army did not arrive on time to save them. ALL OF THEM were murdered by Hamas terrorists. They were shot and burned to death. They were so proud of it and even uploaded

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Not sure why you are trying to add me into the equation. I have never said that as much as YOU want this to be added it shouldn't be and didn't say that I am not not sure why do YOU want so much to try to show that Israel killed their own people when it was mentioned to be incorrect. Could we please

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This was published on November 18, making Ynet on October 15 discussing something different decidedly not relevant to this material. The YouTube video has nothing to do with what Haaretz published. As far as least respected, ok lol, whatever you say. Finally, per the latest set of clarifications opn

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Just drawing your attention to the fact the number of dead has certainly surpassed 260. Israel Hayom listed the names of 292 Israelis killed at the music festival so far ("נרצח/ה במסיבה ברעים"). Haaretz lists an additional 63 names (and a total of 324) as having been "killed at the outdoor rave near

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The festival is not called the "Supernova festival", it is called "Supernova Sukkot Gathering" and was the Israeli edition of the Universo Parallelo festival, hosted by the entity called Tribe of Nova on Facebook, which only has "Nova" as its logo. The festival is not called "Nova" and is not called

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It isnt a mistake just because you think so. We have Haaretz, a known reliable source, reporting on what their sources say. We have the police denying it. We include both. You just thinking it is a mistake does not make it so, and if it is a mistake Haaretz will publish a correction. The video has

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The massacre was a terrorist attack, as claimed by the page, therefore, under the assumption terror attacks are done by terrorists, I ask that in the sentence in the top of the page, the word “militants” will be changed to “terrorists”, as that sentence is the first thing seen by anyone who enters

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The IDF wasn't even there until several hours after it had happened. The people in the video you posted are cops and security (Notice how they're all dressed in black, those are cop uniforms) who were bravely defending civilians AFTER hamas started firing on them. I personally know people who were

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Other pages for Hamas attacks do not seem to have motives boxes to begin with, but then again, they were much smaller in death toll and geopolitical significance. If we do choose to list motives in this article, then contributors should seriously consider listing antisemitism as a motive, in line

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Not only 270 - it's important to refer to the total number of citizens around 1,400 in total and 242 kidnapped and inside hamas tunnels not reporting anything about their condition - because referring to the attack itself the total numbers are also important to understand it was under much bigger

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is mentioned verbatim in policy about POV language, but I think "massacre" may be slightly distinct from terms like "terrorist". Massacres are less ambiguous in the sense that there's a more agreed definition that it has to be unarmed civilians that are being killed. "Terrorism" is more ambiguous

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outlined in a conference that “the operation only targeted military bases and compounds” and that “there were clear instructions from the top commander of al-qassam brigades to avoid targeting civilians”. If true, and if adhere to, this possibly give greater credence to the notion that many were

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for a given encyclopedic statement in a given article. If the sources only specify Hamas as assailants, that's what we have to go with, even if they are generalized news reports and even if we find the resulting coverage improbably reflects the full story. Until sources indicate involvement of

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The preliminary findings of the ongoing national inquiry, spearheaded by law enforcement and communicated to the international media, cast a spotlight on the profound and reprehensible acts committed by Hamas terrorists during the Nova music festival. Any effort to downplay the severity of these

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Are we saying that mistakes can't happen and anything which would ever come out of Haaretz would be the immanent truth? I do not mean that they did it on purpose, but we all are humans and mistakes can happen. And here it's clearly mentioned with multiple sources and video proof (links are given

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The video that circulated was originally linked to an article in Hebrew describing the helicopter attacking targets in Gaza. The narrative that this happened in Israel is blatant disinformation. Since Haaretz is now paywalled, I can't see what they wrote about it, but the original article out of

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The witness in the accompanying video says only that as she was fleeing “we saw a lot of people falling down: we don’t know, some of them probably dead, some of them kidnapped, they were raped, all the things you hear about.” It’s clear she’s speculating about those left behind as she was moving

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No, but when we do have a notable event based entirely on news sources then it is curious, to say the least, to claim that news sources should not be used because we are not a news aggregate. Everything on this page is from the news media. Its only this material that brings up things some would

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The facts are that Haaretz reported something and a police spokesman denied it. Why exactly are we supposed to believe the police spokesman over Haaretzs anyway? Your personal opinion on if something is true or not is not something I am interested in debating. What does interest me is properly

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I must say it feels somewhat unseemly to be arguing about these details, given the magnitude of what happened that day. :( Let's spare a thought for what all those who died that day, who nearly died, or were injured, or were taken hostage, or lost loved ones, or indeed those who piloted those

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Up to this moment, there is still no verified source of the claimed massacre death toll. There is evidence from testimonies of the assault, but no official death toll disclosed. No Israeli officials or UN bodies have confirmed the death toll count. The news article citations point to circular

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Because there's a little concept known as nuance; you see, some information can be highly contested and heavily debated, without a common consensus. In this case, there is not enough of a consensus to describe, with encyclopedic knowledge, about the incident because there's simply not enough

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The sentence about having testimonies should be removed or moved. The source headline does not match the interview. The only reference to rape in the interview is this: "We saw a lot of them falling down... We don't know, some of them probably dead, some of them probably kidnapped/raped."

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I provided clear evidence that challenges the information you posted. There was nothing disruptive about it. Frankly, I would sooner accuse you of being disruptive for accusing me of being disruptive, taking the focus away from the article's content by shifting to personal attacks.

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This is the official statement by the Israeli policy about this claim: " Contrary to the publication, the police investigation does not refer to the activity of the IDF forces, and therefore no indication was given of any harm to civilians caused by any aerial activity at the

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they are terrorists. Hamas is known to be a terror organisation. They are recognized as such by many countries. This attack was part of a bigger terrorists atack which included murder,rape,and kidnapping of babies, children, women old people and non Israeli work immigrants.

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being the name of the event is not a geographical locator, and only further obscures recognisability; 2/3 of the sources above specify the location as well, as do many other news sources, some of which even do not mention the name of or give alternative names to the event

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I would hope that we will eventually have the sourcing to be clear about the organizations that participated in the attack with a higher degree of specificity and certainty. But in the meantime, what you are urging goes somewhat against the burden/method of establishing

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The video currently in the article shows some pretty disturbing stuff, dead and mutilated bodies, etc. Should there not be some type of warning for disturbing images before the video starts? I imagine most people unaware of the videos contents would not want to see that.

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IMHO it's easier to remove this entire content as it's pretty absurd as clearly one journalist misunderstood something and then police clearly stated that it was fake news. If police would have released it on the first place they would not deny it later. With regards,

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This isn't a page about the whole set of attacks, it is just about the festival attack, so it will reflect the relevant details, not those of the wider topic. And the language used will continue to reflect reliable sources and the input of Knowledge (XXG) guidelines.

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https://twitter.com/danielamram3/status/1720567153533878442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1720567153533878442%7Ctwgr%5E5f0cd2329dbc1959d28c9f42e01c012db94e2de9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frotter.net%2Fforum%2Fscoops1%2F822324.shtml

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just Hamas then that's notable and needs some well referenced clarifying in this wiki article. But if it's unclear which groups did it, the article should reflect this rather than repeating the over-simplified narrative found in headline-only versions of the news.

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Israel reported that Hamas was the sole culprit of ant festival deaths on oct 7th- we were told it was premeditated. Now we're learning that it became a target but might not have been one intentionally and the IDF killed an unreported number of festival goers.

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The whole section is fake news, so at least provide challenges, such as the PolitiFact News.ru articles you have above and the fact that this assertion was heavily refuted online. It was shared in a ton of places, and a ton of people called it out for being

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According to Haaretz's journalist Josh Breiner, a police source said that a police investigation indicated an IDF helicopter which had fired on Hamas militants "apparently also hit some festival participants." The Israeli police denied the Haaretz

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The reported "denial" by the PNA of Hamas' responsibility is mistranslated. If you read the actual statement in Arabic, there are two material misrepresentations: the statement does not claim that Israel killed everyone, but rather that Israeli

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Also, attributing this to Brenner is incorrect, Haaretz, being a professional newspaper, has editors, a byline does not mean that the reporter is the sole person responsible for the material. This should be attributed to Haaretz, not Brenner.

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above) that it was a mistake. Perhaps and most likely an honest mistake. So what is the point to add this honest mistake and then write that it was a mistake rather then removing the mistake on the first place? :) With regards,

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the Arab-Israeli conflict, non extended-confirmed users may only participate on talk pages to post constructive edit requests. If disruptive commentary like the above continues this talk page may need to be protected.

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The paragraph on sexual assault claims should be reverted. The source clearly says "The person did not say they had witnessed these incidents, and at one point was recounting videos they had seen on social media."

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other organizations, we cannot presume to indicate they likely were present, no matter how rational a conclusion that feels to us. Even saying that other groups were likely to have been involved is unverified

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and the unnamed reservist recounted many atrocity stories at this press event, familiar from other conflicts. One, of pregnant women who had been ripped open and had their babies pulled out, dates at least to

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I was aware of the Nov 9 Politifact piece. I didn't think it had anything to do with the Nov 19 Haaretz report. The Politifact piece is about social media users misattributing IDF video coverage included in

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As a counter to your rhetorical question, should we add an article on Knowledge (XXG) for every news article ever created? I just read an article about a lost kitten in New York. Does that deserve an entry?

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In what world am I being disruptive other than you not liking what I have to say? If you can't engage in dialogue in two ways, then maybe you shouldn't be using the talk page yourself, Mr. "lol whatever you

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Nobody is creating anything, and it remains your personal belief that this is an incorrect statement and that the police denial is the "truth". Knowledge (XXG) is not concerned with what you think is true.

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No. Someone presumably just added that to the lead tendentiously, and it should probably be voiced as a perspective on events, and treated similarly in the body somewhere, which it isn't at present.

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media with the false claims that this was at the music festival. The fact that a video over a month old was shared across media platforms is enough to question the associated claims' authenticity.

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helicopters, went through (or are going through). I can only imagine what it might feel like for someone who was personally affected by this horrible event to come to a discussion page like this.

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Also, was this massacre just Hamas? (as in started by, even without allowing for potential friendly fire) It's currently written like it I'd, but there were three other groups involved that day.

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mention it in entirely different contexts to the music festival massacre, referring to attacks within Kibbutz Be'eri itself. (Compare also other events are also named after places they occurred

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israeli-security-establishment-hamas-likely-didnt-have-prior-knowledge-of-nova-festival/0000018b-e2ee-d168-a3ef-f7fe8ca20000

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to use branding like this. A simpler route would simply be to go down the lines of 'Israeli music festival massacre' or 'Israeli rave massacre', since these are actually the key terms in

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000

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Is there any account beside ZAKA that attests to 260 people killed? ZAKA is questionable considering their insistence that babies were beheaded, although the military rejected this.

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That mistranslation does sound very likely. Is there something specific in the wiki page that needs to be changed? Is there a better translation available, e.g. Al-Jazeera English?

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Change "The details of their whereabouts and condition of the hostages not publicly known" to "The details of their whereabouts and condition of the hostages is not publicly known"

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I won't wade into the merits of the reasons for the attack, but can someone find an alternate source for Fox News? It's already considered generally unreliable in this case as per

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supposedly contains these admissions. There is no reliable source claiming this is the case, and it should be removed. As should the misstatement on the Rape Crises Center source.

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It seems you didn't read what I wrote. I can repeat. A. Josh Breiner said that police told him they hit. B. Police said that thy didn't say it. B happened after A. With regards,

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source saying the police denied it. But in my view this is well sourced to one of the best Israeli sources we have available to us, and I see nothing policy based to remove it.

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If we’re calling the massacre “a terror attack” in the second paragraph (which it is), shouldn’t the words “Hamas Militants” changed to “Hamas Terrorists” in the opening line?

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Antisemitism as a motive is central to Hamas' attacks on Israeli/Jewish communities and is listed under their ideologies in the info box on their main Knowledge (XXG) page:

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Now, when the leaders of Hamas realize their end is near. so they ridiculously try to hide the war crimes they committed. They even claim not even one civilian was killed! (

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Change Militants to Terrorists. Hamas is a terrorist organization!!! Can you imagine calling the people who carried the 9/11 attacks militants??? You are out of your mind.

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The context of the festival attack, within the wider Oct 7th Hamas massacres, is important, however. The language used should reflect those used in similar pages, such as

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it's important to remember: They kidnapped women, Holocaust survivors in their ninth decade of life, and were evil enough to record and distribute the videos themselves (

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The article should say how long it took for the Israeli army & police to arrive at the scene as well as how many militants they killed & how many they arrested.

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The link for the Association of Rape Crises Centers in Israel does not, at all, say that it has evidence of rape or sexual violence in this conflict. What it says is

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Calling October 7th a military operation is inaccurate. It was a massacre of civilians with deliberate horrible brutality, there were no military goals whatsoever.

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Apart from it involving the breaching of a heavily militarised barrier enforcing a military blockade, and the subsequent assault of eight military bases ... Sure.

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live streaming to social media; to the delight of their viewers in Gaza. Hamas left such destruction that some of the bodies have not been identified to this day (

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Your argument is correct, but I'm unable to determine that "Supernova massacre" is the WP:COMMONNAME; can you help by providing some evidence for the claim? —

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Absolutely. This needs external intervention to resolve - clearly some here are confusing the internationally accepted consensus with personal opinions.

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nothing to do with this, and this repeated invocation of a video from weeks ago to dispute new reporting is as bogus as the rest of the complaint here.

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is the only Israeli newspaper thus listed). So the thing to do is to include the material and to include the denial, as the article currently does. --

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https://story.israelhayom.co.il/israelatwar?_gl=1*1gshiti*_ga*MTc0MzM3NDgzMy4xNjkyNjI3MzQy*_ga_510EBDDMBG*MTY5OTQyNDQ1OS4xMi4xLjE2OTk0MjQ0NjQuNTUuMC4w

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What is the policy-based reason for not including the video beyond generic pronouncements that "Knowledge (XXG) is not the platform for such videos".

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Re source: “We saw Hamas gunmen kill and rape", i24NEWS, October 14, 2023. This is a made-up quote by the i24News twitter account, if anyone cares.

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I agree. I think there is a good basis to include it. Maybe not in the infobox, just because it shows the aftermath rather than the attack itself.

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Remove line “Testimonies were also provided by eyewitnesses who survived the massacre.” from Hamas' assault section. Falsified quote in reference.

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It was a pro-Israeli account which added it as well as numerous out of context statements that were later removed. Not sure how it got unnoticed.

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This shouldn't even be in the infobox to begin with. We had a similar discussion in the main war page that led to a similar video being removed.

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Re'im". That is a total of at least 355 victims, and I almost certainly missed a couple. Surely some journalist has caught onto this already?

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Was this massacre just Hamas? Currently most of this page is written as if it was, but there were three other groups involved that day (see

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I second this. This should not be used as a source. However, there are more reliable sources as to rape taking place during the massacre.

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translate roughly to: "Documentation of the Israeli Air Force attack in the Gaza Strip at the start of the war (Photo: IDF Spokesperson)"

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Picture of a rape victim from the Supernova festival massacre is available on telegram channel documenting the attrocities. The link is:

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and as such anything that contradicts it is a lie that should go unmentioned. I am not under that impression however, and neither is

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This new police investigation published in harretz that points out that, an IDF combat helicopter hit some revelers. Should be added.

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That’s correct. It’s also not whataboutism. I’m not deflecting criticism, I’m pointing out precedent (whether ‘certified’ or not).

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Irrelevant - it was still part of the Oct 7th Hamas massacres and was an internationally condemned terrorist attack on civilians.

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The terror attack was executed by Hamas Terror organization. There were 1,300 murdered, over 3,000 injured and 199 kidnapped.

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unless we have a source saying as much. But again, it's to be hoped that this lack of clarity in the sourcing is temporary.

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Request to frame it as "reportedly from APNews". Request to note the limited information available to verify this claim.

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Yes, and we include both A and B. You are under the impression that the Israeli police's public statements are The Truth

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The event's organizer, Osher Vaknin, was killed in the attack, while his twin and co-organizer Michael went missing.

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citations of other news media, with no verified source of truth for the claim. The claim can be traced back to one

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And the caption under the video from the article, "תיעוד תקיפת חיל האוויר ברצועת בפתיחת המלחמה (צילום: דובר צה"ל)"

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will be required to make this change, which is unlikely to emerge considering the conflict is currently ongoing.

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Again, the only participation you may engage in on this page is to make constructive edit requests. Full stop.

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It should just be removed entirely. We don't know enough about it. This is encyclopedia, not a news aggregate

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I was the one who has originally asked to remove the fake content as I found the denying sources which I have

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Do we plan to collect all the fake news and then their denials? I believe for that we have a separate page (

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Change ‘Hamas militants’ to ‘Hamas terrorists. Hamas is officially a terrorist organization. For reference:

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content as an other. More generally, all hosted media content is there to add encyclopedic value only, not

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atrocities, as depicted in the misleading Haaretz newspaper publication, deserves unequivocal rejection."

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Suggest checking if pages of previous Hamas attacks were also labeled to help others make up their minds.

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inserts “we saw hamas gunmen kill and rape” as a direct quote in an entirely different part of her story.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forensic-teams-describe-signs-torture-abuse-2023-10-15/

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Change “Palestinian militants” to “over 3000 Palestinian terrorists from the terror organization Hamas”

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there, was given a complete description from several sources and can attest to what happaned. It was a

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Agreed, a typical “management of savagery” style brutal massacre and mass torture/rape of civilians.

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There are good sources already in the article, but this one should be removed. As to your source,

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Haaretz is anything but a trustworthy source. It's one of the least respected journals in Israel.

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Can the same then not be said about listing antisemitism as a Hamas motive/ideology, on their

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The same point was brought up in the section above, please read through that guideline. Broad

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outlet's interviews with IDF helicopter pilots that they're quoting on their page may be.)

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them to kill everyone; and it does not deny Hamas killings but rather that these reports

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summarizing the material in the sources, and this is something that is reliably sourced.

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New Police investigation points that Israeli combat helicopter hit civilians at festival

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hand are quoting a police source speaking of IDF combat helicopter use at the festival.

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article on a tweet by the IDF, which isnt the subject of the Haaretz article, and with

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As noted in the other discussion, Knowledge (XXG) is not the platform for such videos.

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Then we should remove all news articles? Which would leave exactly what on this page?

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Again, the social media reaction about a different video has nothing to do with this.

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We don't want these sources, we want reliable ones – those from trusted news sources.

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I do agree with these comments, so you have my consensus. Let's see what others say.

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because it's contentious whether or not the target has to be civilian and unarmed.

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At least two Hamas militants admitted during their interrogations in acts of rape

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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say that organizations other than Hamas have been involved at the festival?

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Also removed several others because there was no explicit mention of Re’im.

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Yes, FTLOG let's please removed anything that Fox News has to say on this.

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Yes, I just made a similar statement a few seconds after you wrote this.

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which this video came, reveals that this allegation is just plain false.

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Could you post write here the exact same quotes for other users to see?

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Current information in the article (last sentence under "Casualties"):

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I added this, an editor is claiming that it is fake based on an older

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any move. Current title is accurate. Support Benjitheijneb's comment.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

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with the motives listed on the main Knowledge (XXG) page for Hamas.

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While not all of those massacred were Jews, the vast majority were.

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This video clip show multiple civilian corpuses from this mascare.

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from the music festival but just presented it as showing what IDF (

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I removed Zee because I found it made no specific mention of Reim.

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Israeli helicopter now reported to kill some of the festival goers

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As 9/11 the right definition is a terror attack made by terrorists

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and the numerous other discussions on this page and its archives.

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I'm quite angry this made it to the article in its current form.

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We looked at Hamas videos to find our friends - jewishnews.co.uk

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Tentative but I think "massacre" is ok to use here. Quick list:

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Also, has anyone been able to find where the video came from?

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That's whatsboutism and relates to the local consensus there.

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The disruption is the rant about fake news. But as you wish.

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This was the total Israeli death toll for the whole war.

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attack being explained in the beginning of the article.

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Good catch. I revised the wording to "wounded many more"

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How is it whataboutism? It’s an example of precedent.

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Yes it should. Do you have sources that can be used?

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Can you please add this video clip to this article.

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