Talk:Reactions to the November 2015 Paris attacks/Archive 2

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one politician blowing smoke without any kind of hard substance, and hence didn't belong in a Knowledge (XXG) article, since encyclopedias are not in the business of spreading gossip. You two (not consensus, you two) objected and edit warred (breaking 1RR, or even 3RR) to get that material back in. As it turned out, I was right and a day or two later the Polish PM explicitly stated that Poland was still committed to observing the agreement it had made. I added that part in. Then MyMoloboaccount came in, removed that information and replaced it with some off handed comment the PM made in an online chat.

3725:. It seems there are news reports concerning Iceland-Turkey football match which took place in Konya, mentions "Allahu Akbar" chanting, but that was a lot before Paris. In worst case it only proves there are people in Turkey that support ISIS. Which wasn't even open the discussion, it was already a known fact. Number of their supporters and how this is represented in this article is our issue. For your information, Turkish news already reporting "Allahu Akbar" chanting claims as a lie 3634:. Another counter argument to this, even if there were people in that stadium that were chanting "Allahu Akbar", numbers were insignificant, current mention in this article only mentions people that are chanting "Allahu Akbar". Majority of them were chanting "Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez" (Martyrs don't die, nation don't separate). That would make this edit a nitpick. Why they were chanting "Martyrs don't die, nation don't separate" is out of scope of this article. -- 31: 1874: 2731:

stated by "one politician" (except that one politician was a minister of the government, and now the actual prime minister) makes it not suitable for inclusion, and that it's parochial to include Polish politics like this. Virtually everyone else disagreed, but there you have it. Volunteer Marek also repeatedly accused me of having a

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warred to have X in the article. Then a few days later the Polish Prime Minister said "well, not X, Y". I put Y in since that's more up to date. MyMoloboaccount shows up and removes it. I undo. LjL jumps in to edit war just because. And then you claim consensus for that too. Please stop being ridiculous.

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I have no idea what's heard, as with many recordings like that, it's a mess for a layman to hear, especially one who doesn't speak Turkish or Arabic. Anyway, if the "Allahu Akbar" thing really is dubious, we can do without it, but the booing is pretty clear, no matter the background there might be to

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Well, yes if the majority are policy-compliant. In that situation, the objector would be in IDHT mode if they were repeatedly and regularly trying to rehash the issue. I really haven't looked deep enough into this specific issue to make my mind up but AGF'ing that others have checked the sources etc,

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To pretend it's a vote, I count: 4 "conditional support" (I include the proposer given their wording), 5 "support", 2 "oppose". Given the "conditional support" was either based on reliability of sources (and opposers haven't seemed to put that into question) or on whether others found the statements

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for now. Not only is that dubious currently, but this may not also be notable. Maybe there's another reason why they yelled "Allahu Akbar." Is it because they sarcastically also claim to like ISIS, when in fact they hate them with all their guts? That doesn't really matter, because it's a relatively

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In the article it mentions that at before the match between Turkey and Greece, during the one-min silence, the Turkish fans booed and chanted "Allahu Akbar", and it provided 11 links (astonishing). But Turkish netizens disputed that they were not chanting "Allahu Akbar", instead, they were chanting

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1. I am not "blackmailing" you. This is a personal attack. All I did was WARN you that you broke 1RR on this article, in contravention of the 1RR restriction. I *could* have REPORTED you, instead I tried to be nice about it. Apparently, my thanks for that is you posting these personal attacks to the

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Of course, I consider a 1RR threat entirely spurious on this article, which is about international reactions and not even at all about ISIL (the topic with sanctions that we had previously debated on), and which does not currently even have a sanctions template on its talk page (because obviously no

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Sorry, I removed it again before seeing the above. The problem is, the source doesn't actually make any sense. This sort of thing usually comes via a mayor's office or some similar representative body. That the source (which seems pretty poor anyway( ascribes it to the residents of the place is crap

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Well, it is better but you didn't have consensus. I'm doped on morphine so I will leave it for now, safe in the knowledge that the clued-up will eventually get their point proven. Fed up of the cluelessness that AGF insists we accept. And fed up of the snide accusations of Auslondonder - one more of

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I agree with you both. The article suffers from the common problem of articles like this which is the need to be comprehensive, to list and quote every single statement of condolence, to show a picture of every single pile of bouquets, to have fifteen pictures of skyscrapers with red-white-and-blue

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5. Whether the talk page has the 1RR warning template or not is irrelevant. The 1RR warning template is a courtesy, not a necessity. You can get blocked for 1RR even without the template. As you well know. In fact, you know ALL of this since you are the one who just filed a motion to remove the 1RR

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Sure. But if it's covered by Time and Newsweek one leaves out all those places not covered by Time or Newsweek, and every single list you come up with, except a complete list, is open to the charge of selection. Pick only the notable ones. How does one define notable? Well, it's notable if it has a

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Since this attack was perpetrated by Islamic extremists trying to hijack a religion and start a Holy War, I believe this is a valid section. The reaction of Muslim groups is notable by the dedicated press coverage. Plus besides the Pope, there is no other religious response. It's not like Shinto or

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Also I did removed the above-discussed reference to Ankara bombings, but your source was I thought not good enough. I have no objection to you putting it back if you come up with a better source although I confess the relevance here is slight. I suggest putting it into the Ankara bombing article.

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LjL, MyMolobboaccount, EVEN IF you guys were right about previous consensus - which you're not, you're making shit up - my last edition concerned an official statement made by the Polish PM AFTER that discussion took place. In my original objection I pointed out that Szymanski's statement was just

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No, I have opened ONE new section about it here. It's worth discussing, particularly since somebody's 1) removing well sourced content that they don't like and 2) there was no clear consensus, whatever your claims about it before, 3) this is an ongoing recent event so any kind of "consensus" about

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to understand what's going on. Volunteer Marek has repeatedly tried to remove the response by Polish government officials from both articles against consensus to keep them, a consensus that could be found in more than one talk page section. He claims that the fact that it's not "official" but just

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The article is becoming really silly now. It currently stands at 134,000 characters and is likely to rise as rather more pertinent reactions than mere quotes begin to surface (eg: restrictions on immigration etc). I am already having occasional trouble loading it, which is most evident in the slow

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Weight becomes the problem. We'll get people from every damn country wanting to include their nation's tribute(s) - seen it happen somewhere before, and similar things happen repeatedly at caste articles. It is simpler to make the broad-brush statement and link to a source that gives some examples

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For funky's sake. Even if you guys did have "consensus" (you didn't) to include Szymanski's statement at the time he made it, because this is an article on a developing event, the situation has changed and there's no "consensus" now. Szymanski said X. You guys pretended to have consensus and edit

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Erm, I apologised. Did you not read my opening sentence? I am on and off here today. However, I'll add something else: I've now found out that my local council has expressed the usual sentiments, as per Damascus. If Damascus is to go in then should I add my town also? Where does this end? In this

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Most heads of state expressed their condolences; X, Y, and Z said that France has a right to wage war against ISIL; but A, B and C actually said that ISIL had good reasons to inflict this attack on France. In particular, the president of Foo's statement stood out for claiming "France smells like

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The BBC source that is already in the article mentions a few. Sorry, but I do not understand your "though". I thought I'd already explained that as soon as we start mentioning some, we open the floodgates. The same, indeed, applies with the list of cities which, for example, got really silly at

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Please stop making stuff up. Your "repeatedly tried to remove" involves me removing it a couple of times. No, "virtually" not everyone disagreed. Yes, you do have a BATTLEGROUND attitude. Your 3RR report was a revenge tactic for me having warned you to stop reverting people like crazy on this

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You didn't have consensus to remove. Not sure what snideness you are referring to. But please do file a case at Ani. Make sure you add repeatedly calling me a "dimwit" reverting my edits sourced to the German equivalent of the BBC with the edit summary of "stop being a twat" and writing on my

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I'm summing up what people have said about this seemingly contentious topic of whether to include reactions from government officials of Poland (which has tangentially extended to some other countries). I am including the user names, their statement I found most relevant, and the support or

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that "you can hear it in the video" that they shouted Allahu Akbar? Your hearing is not a source. The sound is definitely confused. The Turkish newspaper itself says "reports", they don't confirm it, even though I'm sure they have the ability to watch a video. I also note that you

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I say let's mention that it did happen in very many cities, without giving any names; leave that to the sources, and it's pretty obvious that it happened in most major world cities even if you don't name them (which invariably causes much-less-major ones to be added).

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It's not a vote, but I wouldn't say numbers don't matter either. When this keeps being brought up by the same editor, and we keep needing to rehash old and archived talk page section, at some point it needs to be shown a clear majority of editors is in agreement.

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there by the way! few people are participating, seemingly only those already familiar with administrator noticeboards) where I was repeatedly reassured that they would be applied with common sense only (I was assured of the same in other places too), and even

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confirms it: "During the subsequent moment of silence, supporters also whistled their disapproval while a section of the crowed also reportedly shouted “Allah-u Akbar” and “Martyrs don’t die, the homeland will not be divided” – a common nationalist slogan."

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stripes projected on them. The time is approaching for the big trim where this starts to look more like an encyclopedia article. One place to start would be to remove anything sourced only to Twitter and other social media. Anything that is only sourced to

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Also, "consensus" is not a vote, which you appear to think it is. Expressed opinions only count only in so far as they're well grounded in actual policy. None of these - not yours, not MyMolobo's not others - actually address the main issue here, which is

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her twitter posts. Nonetheless, If you want to include this to article, you should include counter argument as well. Which is, this wasn't disrespect againt victims of Paris attacks but, news agencies continously ignoring Turkish losts in Ankara and Suruç

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particular landmark, then a ton of others will be added back again: this is proven by the fact that it just did happen, after they were heavily pruned the first time. So we should mention the general fact that many landmarks were lit, without naming any.

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Why you need one based on your comments, "my ear..." and you clearly did not know about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan speech but you still felt a need to write about something you knew little about. Support for the ISIS in Turkey is about

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There must be something I am not understanding here. The comments appear to have been made by a senior government member in some sort of official capacity, even if (?) later rescinded. That is the very definition of a notable reaction, surely? -

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that the same happened during the minute of silence for Ankara, and that "a section" of the crowd (not all) chanted. I didn't make an "argument", so I see no particular need to include a "counter-argument": I stated what reportedly happened.

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I have read that Turks have different symbols of mourning, according to some sources they sing a song or something like that. Also they were angry because none of soccer teams after Turkish terrorist attacks paid tribute (unconfirmed news).

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London, Berlin, Taipei, New York City and Toronto are all large cities that would be known to virtually all English speaking readers - and this should be fine for people who speak English as a second language. I'd say remove the links. --

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If you had kept up with the events, you would know that the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has in a speech condemned the boos and the cries of “allahu akbar” from Turkish fans at this soccer game. So he accepts that it happened.

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to explain why a template is there, which is generally useful, and doesn't break anything. People looking at the wikitext can read it and know what it's about. Originally, I had also included a "discuss" parameter with a link to the

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Right, User:Volunteer Marek. Let me get this clear. It is "utilising a tragedy" for editors to insert well-sourced and highly notable comments by senior politicians utilising a tragedy? Irony bypass? Or letting your own obvious POV

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Notable view if backed up, but not sure about the reliable sourcing. I'm not familiar with that Polish publication, so it's not clear we can do anything with it at this time. A quick Google News search brings up nothing similar in

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be linked, while obscure ones should. I'm at a loss as to what I would have misinterpreting here. Of course, there is also the fact that there newly re-added links created multiple links, which is also discouraged by policy:

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Turkish source mentions "Allahu Akbar" chanting. Rest of them don't even mention anything remotely similar. Of course I am not counting foreign sources, seems to have only one source, which I mentioned above. And please

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I have. Check the relevant section. I've had enough of playing your games of chasing what people (me included) have said in the relevant sections which keep coming up: find it yourself, I'm not repeating myself on it.

3345:"Sehitler olmez, vatan bolunmez" (Martyrs never die, the nation won't be divided), a common slogan. Also, it is said that in Turkey, it is rare for any one minute of silence not to be disrupted by that slogan. Here is 2124:, caught in fierce fighting between the Syrian government, ISIS and Western air strikes wrote an open letter stating, "We extend our hands to all the people that love peace and freedom, most of all the French people" 3317:

I'm posting objections about reverts and other edits to this article here, even if it might seem too verbose, as I'm trying to avoid actually reverting myself, given there are certain editors on this article and on

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How about we stop being ridiculous and stop making this page - which is about the November attacks in PARIS - about Polish politics? Starting with the Szymanski quote all the way through this whole thing violates

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Let me note that, spawned from the re-added short list of major places, now there is a long list of landmarks (bulleted, even!) again. I'm almost tempted to boldly remove the whole thing again myself this time.

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LjL, you reported me for 3RR in a pre-preemptive revenge move after I warned you about edit warring, after you've been involved in four different edit wars in 24 hours. Your report got closed with no action.

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This is silly I gave many more references then that and the fact is that looking at information the Turkish president accepted that it did occur. Plus we have the youtube posted by a news channel really..

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would suggest that if we're already linking to a specific structure in a city (whose article, surely, would link to the city) we would have no need to additionally link to the city name right next to it.

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The two IPs are throw away accounts that have been following me lately. You're also ignoring the editors who objected to the text by also removing the text (but who were probably driven off by your edit

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which is a news channel which makes it okay. The screams of Allahu Akbar are clearly audible. I do not know where you get the idea that the sound is definitely confused. Maybe you need a hearing aid?

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6. All I'm asking is for you to abide by rules which apply to everyone else. You seem to think that you are somehow exempt from them because... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...? Not clear on that exactly.

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And like I've already pointed out that was the discussion about the original statement. You still have not explained why removing well sourced statement by the Polish PM which was made later is ok.

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restriction from these articles. I simply cannot understand how you can pretend that you are not aware of the 1RR restriction after you've already filed a motion to remove the 1RR restriction!

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I think if we're mentioning that Turkish hooligans booed an international recent terrorist attack mourning, we should mention that they had just done the same even with a domestic one.

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All I want there is for the issue to be presented in a reasonable and appropriate manner. That means that editors shouldn't cherry pick the statements they like and remove and ignore

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Some Muslim reactions were on Twitter, so they can be characterized as "Popular reactions". Other reactions come from countries, and they should be listed alongside those countries.

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article. I'm not going to add it back in because everyone seems to prefer to be arguing than do anything else, so I'm just raising it here. Ps, I agree with Itsyoungrapper. Thanks.

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Maybe, but a speech by the Turkish president and that support for ISIS is 8% have nothing to do with such evidence (and of course, neither do your personal snide remarks about me)

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I'm saying including so many details about Poland's response - which isn't even a response to the attacks but rather statements about Syrian refugees made after the attacks - is

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That's a good point. Maybe we should only add really major icons, like those in NYC (bias), London, Sydney, Rio (i.e. those covered by the major sources like Time and Newsweek).

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I'm pretty sure that won't be needed, but if we're going to report the statements you find important and not the others... do you know who the author of the following quote is?

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I have a headache, and I think if I go click on the links for the various sections and try to count editors again my head will explode. Are you able to tell us how many editors

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attitude (didn't help that I reported him for 3RR beach about this, I guess), but he appears to be so blinded by his POV that he can't even tell one article from the other.

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Poland offered condolences but noted that due to these attacks Poland will renounce EU refugee relocation scheme. Is this notable to be included in international reactions?

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Ay, sorry, I did get confused. The same issue was present on the original article. My apologies. I stand by the view that this material does not belong in the main article.

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Agree with LjL, MyMoloboaccount and Super Goku V. It's Warsaw's official policy. Poland's conservative Law and Justice party is strongly anti-immigration, anti-Muslim.

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I really haven't looked deep enough into this specific issue to make my mind up but AGF'ing that others have checked the sources etc, inclusion here seems fine to me.

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Support, there are issues with refugee acceptance in other countries (eg Canada has just announced they will not take single males into the country as refugees) --

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in Syria expressing solidarity with residents of Paris. Amongst many of the less poignant reactions (such as American TV shows) this is surely a notable reaction.

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I am actually astounded at the cheek of John and Sitush. No consensus exists to do this, as the rejected deletion nominations for several similar articles prove.

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Rather, I think there should be a section on "religious response", especially since there's been a response from Pope Francis (who is a global religious leader).

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The names of major geographic features and locations, languages, nationalities and religions. France should not normally be linked; the republic of Tuva should.

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Please don't make stuff up. There was no "overwhelming consensus" (really? overwhelming? No) to include this. Maybe your recollection is erroneous.

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Here about NaTemat.pl. They are sometimes called: the Polish Huffington Post. "Who" exactly however is that Poland person they are referring to ?

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thank you for undoing my forced self-revert, although it was undone by yet another user who thought they had to have a say in this, even though,

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Please keep your "get a hearing aid" snide remarks to yourself. I'm not replying to the rest as I'd be going over stuff I have already covered.

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Looking at the section, it doesn't seem accurate to me that most of the reactions "come from countries", unless you mean that they originated

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/ft_15-11-17_isis_views/

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see the problem--I'm not sure others do. The long and short of it is that this is not encyclopedic writing; it's simply compiling facts.

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Following the attacks, multiple landmark structures around the world were lit in the colours of the French flag, including the spire of

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Most of what I said was an observation of course. I wouldn't possibly want you to add all of them. But only the clear quote like

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you too, you wanted there to be no ill feelings? Then please oppose this nonsensical attempt to enforce rules in the face of any

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He can say whatever he wants but until this becomes official policy it's just blowing smoke - which politicians do all the time.

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I think some of these mentions, however, may be marginally useful to the reader. Maybe this can be summarized in a shorter way?

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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/20/erdogan-rebukes-fans-booing-greek-anthem-not-moment-of-silence-for-paris/

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Honestly, this article is basically a collection of "relatively minor" reactions that weren't important enough to fit into

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of "Allahu Akbar", not anything recorded. Like most of the news articles mentioned above, they are based on one source,

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My preference still leans towards "packing together" all the comments that are effectively the same; so, something like

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journalism. Did each resident write one letter in the document or what? Were the residents even consulted by whoever

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you aren't doing yourself a favor here. You have just been redacted by an administrator. Take a deep breath and read

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That video was quoted from the reddit link I provided. I misread the message and thought it was from the scene...

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deleting yours), you asked me to self-revert or I'd face 1RR sanctions. It was all pretty inappropriate, really.

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consensus, and there still is, aside from you. You keep opening new sections about this as if you had never read

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So now, after saying I need to get a hearing aid because I claim a Youtube video isn't an acceptable source, in

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I think we should implement LjL's idea with the prose, then have a collapsible list as well per Itsyoungrapper.

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Hello, I'd just like to say that after all the editing and pruning and removing and arguing, this article now

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I don;t want to remove the mention altogether, but we should just remove all the names of all the landmarks.

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Could someone re-add at least some of the prominent buildings and images removed without consensus by Sitush

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I agree with Marek on this. Until an official statement is made it ought to be covered under wp:recentism.

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The evidence is overwhelming that many of the Turks booed and yelled "Allahu Akbar" during the silence.

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2. Your "ping"ing other users who have also complained about the 1RR restriction is a blatant attempt at

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I am going to self-revert as "kindly asked", but I'm not caving in to this blatant blackmail. There is a

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things. You must have skipped that bit when you read it. Finally, YouTube is not generally considered a

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The report was closed as "stale". It wasn't preemptive, as in fact you had "warned" me as a reaction to

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opposition to inclusion I infer from it (since explicit "support" stances were not clearly requested).

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reference to the fact that many landmarks and cities around the world lit up with the French tricolour

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There are responses form Muslim groups. These are not necessarily religious responses. All the best:

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Massacre, in which 100 peace activists were killed by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)"

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I agree there isn't really a need to specify what the Republican thought of Sanders' comments, but in

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inclusion (I deleted some American TV show-related reactions, by the way, as absolutely not notable).

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and tell me where it is heard "Allahu Akbar". This whole thing going to blow your hand really bad. --

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They are certainly "religion-related". Do you have a better term? "Responses from religious groups"?

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Agree with the consensus that it is noteworthy and should stay. Volunteer Marek is out of line here.

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would you care to elaborate on what I am "misinterpreting", and if I'm really not, undo your edits?

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http://billsinsider.com/2015/11/20/17177-turkish-football-fans-boo-during-minutes-silence-for-paris/

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http://wwntradio.com/2015/11/21/turkey-soccer-fans-boo-chant-allahu-akbar-during-moment-of.html

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and as well you might be. This is an old diatribe, and you might want to check the archives of

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as rationale) calling it "ridiculous" that some cities were linked and others weren't, so I

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one thing really is irrelevant, 4) you continue to address the main issue at hand, which is

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Consensus is against him on the matter, as innumerable talk page sections, both here and at

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http://soccerly.com/article/soccerly/turkey-to-take-action-after-fans-disrupt-paris-silence

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3. There is no well established consensus. You are only claiming there is. Big difference.

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I agree with MyMoloboaccount. This information is relevant and should stay in the article.

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seems more than reliable enough for this. To put things in perspective, though, perhaps

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Now, does that look legit to you? Does that look like you can really claim "consensus"?

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These are the relevant edits, should someone elect to restore sanity and policy later:

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Look. You really need to cut it out with the personal attacks and hyperbolic rhetoric.

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International_reactions_to_the_November_2015_Paris_attacks#Landmarks_lit_with_Tricolour

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I think you pretty much said it yourself: "Generally, a link should appear only once (

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brie", and the prime minister of Bar distanced himself from other Euranian statements.

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There were 4 editors supporting inclusion of this information, 1 editor against(VM).

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Multiple RS refs, notable worldwide coverage. No policy-based reason for excluding.

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were in favor of keeping it (I assume only 2 were against, VM and that other one)?

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Please add this stuff back to either article or both, it pretty obviously matters.

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A little exaggerated assessment of innocuous single text links, don't you think?

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We can include what they said in succession. The fact someone has said something

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Lets mention those buildings which were mentioned by the BBC and then create and

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Casino that had dimmed the lights on their Eiffel Tower replica to honor victims.

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There is no consensus to remove this information, there is one to include it. --

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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after reading all of the above, how exactly can you find it tenable to simply

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very dubious assertions with (very dubious) citations. I hope there is a more

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Finally we had discussion here after reactions were moved to separate article

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4 editors were in support of this information being included, 1 against(VM).

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Until this becomes official, there is no reason for it to be in the article.

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Reactions to the September 11 attacks

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Fortunately, I, too, had a DYK nomination, so a QPQ opened up for me. Yay.

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I've now actually tried to make a full count with the relevant statements

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I agree with Мандичка's viewpoint, I think that the section is relevant.

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Reuters reporter. Apparently Reuters don't trust her so much, even they

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If we're going to do that, how about just starting a dedicated page of

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It's also supposed to be a section dedicated to the reactions regarding

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do, Epic genius. I'm also agreeing with Sitush's edit, of course. BTW,

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As far as I recall there was overwhelming consensus to include this.--

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You posted a video from a month ago, not to the event in discussion.

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5 editors were supporting this information, 2 against(VM included).

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4. To claim that this article "is about international reactions and

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No you actually haven't. There's nothing in the "relevant section".

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I propose to include a short mention of a letter from residents of

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THey are unnecessary links. We are not a kid's colouring book. -

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should be included. And addition to that keep in your mind, only

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I'm seeing some serious POV here. Why hasn't anyone added that

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This is silly, the source of the Youtube is clearly listed as

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is now up at DYK; feel free to review and send it on its way.

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doesn't negate them, or someone else, having said something

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This was already discussed in main article about the attacks

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We can mention a few of these, though. I think these sources

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I think it could be , but lets hear what others have to say

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the template doesn't technically have a "reason" parameter

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removed the above-discussed reference to Ankara bombings

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it. What's that quote from? Hürriyet actually says they

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notable (and they did), I'd say it's safe to call this

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This implies that very big or well-known cities should

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which links to more) - but he keeps creating more, and

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Can you please explain how this text does not violate

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The statements are taken from the sections listed by

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You're joking, right? That can't be a serious reply.

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These links are ridiculous and should be removed. --

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