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under RIPA. Example: Fraudulent one-day sales were illegal under the Mock
Auctions Act (now the CUPTR). This was LA sponsored legislation because this affected their residents directly. The only reliable way to prove the offence was to record the whole of the sale. This was routinely done until the advent of the HRA and consequently RIPA; when, because other conversations in the sale room might also be recorded, this had to be RIPA authorised. Another point is that many Authorities have been obtaining RIPA authorisations on a precautionary basis for activities that do not require it: this includes underage test purchases, photographing/filming dog-fouling and, quite probably, the surveillance of the 3 families in Poole (2 of whom were caught out cheating). Also note that the media claims of phone-tapping are nonsense. There will have been a very few applications for the equivalent of itemised bills, but all the others will be for reverse directory information under the powers of the Trade Descriptions Act or similar legislation
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authorise covert human intelligence sources (CHIS) and access communications data..." This appears to be a very interesting distinction. Council officers have no powers to carry out covert activities themselves, but they have the power to authorise a CHIS to gather covert information on their behalf. Also the Act makes a clear definition of what is considered "covert" (section 26 (9)). By the Act's definition surveillance is not necessarily covert so would not be covered by LACORS's point about covert activities.
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with a search warrant or s.18 powers) the contents are obvious to all (such as paper records etc.). In the case of an encrypted computer, that is not so - the suspect can defeat a lawful search warrant. The offence is there to prevent people from doing this, by hiding potentially criminal materials behind a strong password, and both cases show this.
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AIUI, which is mainly a result of having talked about the Act with people who have read it and understand it far better than I ever will, the burden of proof would, rather inexplicably, rest on the defence, not the prosecution, in showing that the defendent had at no time had the said key. Lovely,
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This is entirely correct - and is as annoying as the common press use of the term 'anti-terrorism legislation' when discussing RIPA. Note that Local Authorities are not required to use RIPA to authorise surveillance (see the OSC website Q&A) and that non-RIPA surveillance is perfectly
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creation/deletion/merging of authorities (e.g. HMRC, SOCA). The text linked to contains none of these changes, and thus is being mis-represented. (N.B. "Authority" ="type of agency" - RIPA mostly just specifies classes of agency, e.g. "A UK council" rather than naming specific agencies)
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I've tried to confirm the case of the chap jailed for refusing to hand over his encryption keys & can find no references outside one website and 'reprint' of that article. Whoever posted this in the first place, please reference the case properly or remove it...
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storing such material, perhaps the reference to "child exploitation" should be removed from the article on the basis it's not relevant and is purely speculative? From the references, it had no bearing on his prosecution and subsequent
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Did Oliver Drage ever get out of prison? I know he was sentenced for 4 months, but there seemed to be the possibility that they would throw him back in jail again if he still refused to give out the password.
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