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could have used. Frankly, I think linking it the way you did is a violation of one of the five pillars of this project. I can't see why you'd think that people wouldn't take offence at your language! Now lets get back on subject, perhaps you could tell me, if there's any basis for the symbol and abbreviations used above. Because as far as I can see, someone is simply pulling it out of their imagination.
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to the relevant articles. Let me extend the olive branch and declare I'm open to tweaking them so that they are devoid of colour (which may have been my creative leap), with the exception of
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University Line). Anything else is purely speculation. Once they
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Lawrence Market, Sherbourne and King and on the railway embankment where it crosses Cherry Street. They are all within walking distance of my home. But, at most, one will be built. I prefer that the article not offer readers vague
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You think what the fuck is a cryptic and humourous abbereviation? I linked the abbreviations - they are hardly unusual, and if not familiar with them, you could click on the links. If you felt it was necessary to link this poorly written essay, there were many other less offensive links to it you
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Danforth line. I suspect this will be a huge disappointment, when the line is complete, and billions of dollars have been spent. I think it should be
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Downtown Relief Line than to expand into Markham/Richmond Hill with an extension north of Finch. Who's going to pay for the maintenance north of Toronto, with the extension to Vaughan already in the works has this
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College Street doesn't even extend that far west; the station would actually be on Dundas
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Which TTC line currently uses 2 (or any) letters? The issue with Finch West being Line 7, is that given it's scheduled to open in 2021 (with Line 5), and the
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The TTC uses circles with sans serif font for each of their line icons. I'm arguing that is the basis of fact here. The only unsubstantiated alteration I have made was putting acronymed letters instead of numbers (and the colour, which I have offered to remove).
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Knowledge articles need references and should not contain unsubstantiated information, you must use genuine company logos and iconography.
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I did attend the meeting. The four alternate routes were only vaguely specified, by where they crossed the Danforth line, and the Yonge-University line. Several dozen possible station locations were on a map. But the actual alignments hadn't been suggested.
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Do what the fuck I want? How dare you use such language. What I want to do is have a discussion about it, so I don't go off an do something I shouldn't do. And I'd like to do so without someone making insults, and using foul language! Shame on you!
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It has been added in the Name section. It cannot be added to the top section or to the infobox until it is confirmed in a public announcement backed by reliable sources, as the corporate plans themselves state that it's tentative for now.
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The (proprietary) maps that accompany the notional proposed routes I have seen floated so far have been interesting. I'd like to see the article have some maps -- but only if it is very clear they are not even close to being official.
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Hey Yllianos are you the guy who made that crazy fantasy subway map a few months ago? Regardless if you did or not how to you to it? I wanted to make one of my own for a while but I don't know how. Any tips would be awsome.
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I think incorporating this disambiguation would be fine, if others could indicate is they support renaming at all and whether it should be disambiguated or not, I think it would be helpful in achieving consensus.
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I think that historically it was called by the Downtown name, and we don't know what its name will finally be when it gets built. Because "relief line" is such a generic expression, I would say leave it for now.
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Queen Street with major tourist areas such as the Eatons Centre, Osgoode Hall, etc there and more people work along Queen Street to King Street corridor of streets (Queen, Richmond, Adelaide, King, Wellesely).
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removed the statement about Line 3's number and colour being retired upon replacement of Line 3 Scarborough as well, since it was considered "trivial" and lacked sources. We might have to wait until a proper
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Calling it (Finch) either Line 6 or Line 7 would be crystal - which is why I'd already said it should be neither. And we can't start making up our own Fantasy codes. As such I will delete references to RL.
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have been changed to refer to an acronym (SE, FW) instead of Lines 6 and 7 because someone had an issue with the probability they would remain numbered like that, given their implementation schedules. --
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I like the idea of it running to things like the St. Lawrence Market, Skydome, Exhibition, etc but there are already street cars and proposed LRT extensions in discussion such as the the Waterfront LRT.
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Yeah I've been making those fantasy maps; I based them on the way the London Underground does them. Other then that I can recommend (if this helps or not) check out the one used on my TTC fantasy site:
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Some proposals have involved the TTC or metrolinks saving money by using the same right of way as GO trains -- even though that right of way isn't generally in convenient walking distance of anything.
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Did you read the link? Your response to me was a little bit indirect by using OSE and NOR, so I linked via WTF to what is meant to be a humorous essay on the use of cryptic abbreviations.
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still VERY MUCH EXISTS, and will for the foreseeable future. I would hesitate very much in assigning this future project a number that is currently in use, at least here on Knowledge.
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I just don't see why there'd be a symbol at all. What's the need? Where else has this been published? And how can it be based on existing lines when no lines use a 2-letter code?
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For me, this is still at the basic concept stage, with multiple vague options. I'm not going to touch it until there is hard referenced information. Good luck!
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Removing the speculative symbols turned out to be a good idea, especially given that the TTC themselves don't use those symbols in their documents yet.
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Neither the TTC or Metrolinx uses icons of any kind for these projects. They look pretty, but are totally invalid. Keep up the good work.
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127:—Preceding
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1885:References
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1540:WP:CRYSTAL
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1234:How about
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1947:Johnny Au
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