956:, I do not dispute that ROUV is a valid acronym, I asked whether you have reason to assume that it is the more common usage, which goes against my experience in professional diving. Any ROUV is necessarily a ROV, and as far as I know ROV is what they are usually called in practice. I have no objection to changing consistently to ROUV if evidence is available that that is the more common term. If you just changed it because it looked more accurate, that is a good faith edit but not a valid one. At present both acronyms are used in an inconsistant way, which looks unprofessional, and I would like to clarify and clean up, but at this point it is my opinion vs yours, and while I know what my opinion is based on, I have no idea of what yours is based on, so I am asking. I can provide reliable sources indicating that ROV is widely and internationally recognised as an acronym for these devices in professional diving. It is clear that ROUV can be and is used, but not to what extent. I would prefer further clarification to avoid misunderstanding or misrepresentation, but on the balance of evidence currently available to me, I intend to revert to mostly ROV with an explanation of apparent usage. If you or anyone else can come up with reliable evidence that ROUV is more suitable we can change the article to reflect that. Cheers, · · ·
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Scorpio ROV article is interesting and written from a neutral point of view. I have no commercial allegiance to the Scorpio folks. They are however a good example of a real ROV. The last person who was trying to get their company name on this page was someone selling a glorified tow fish. I believe that vandalism has now successfully been repelled. This is not the case with the Scorpio link.
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I did not consider it advertising and saw it relative to the statement made about the Titanic. You are right, Google does bring it up and that is how I found the reference for citation. On the other hand, you have removed the reference to 7000m in conjunction with Titanic all together, therefore
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There is a deliberate attempt by a small unknown company to introduce their name in this article. I will keep deleting this vandalism until it stops. Please stop trying to build market recognition this way. First if all it does not work and secondly ,and more importantly, it misinforms the honest
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