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Council previously launching an extensive investigation into Lowe's conduct, the Council did not conduct as thorough of an investigation into an
2453:, thanks so much for the review. I have minimized the use of the Untapped Cities reference. I generally think it is reliable for minor facts, but always try to find the original source if possible. I don't think any person off the street can edit the website, but it's good to make sure.
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stopping for tonight... and you are probably wanting a break from all the detailed comments. Just like eating an elephant, I will take the article a bit at a time. I'm tired, but it has been fun reading the article. I hope you consider taking it to
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My pleasure! Thanks so much for the changes you made with "untapped" sourcing. I am going to see if I can find other source for the largest church, etc. and then it seems we're done. If those statistics are true, they must be somewhere else with a reliable
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Quotes around words / names of things. I don't see a need to put quotes around "reparations". I wouldn't have put quotes around the fund and the study, but that makes more sense to me, since they are unique names with specific meanings to the church.
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Okay, great. That would be nice. What especially threw me was "investigation into an employee's complaint". If that could be clarified, that would be great! All that may be needed (if true) is that it was an "investigation into the employees'
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I am not totally happy about the organ sources and the parenthetical for the world's largest, but I think it's workable and I am ready to pass the article. Thanks so much for your patience with me through all the minor edits, links, and
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Comment: I added "of construction" to "final complement of 74 bronze bells, at the time the largest carillon of bells in the world" to clarify which time we are talking about. Feel free to edit if you think it needs to be corrected or
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Baptist Church." - for something that should not be
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Rockefeller said he was going to wait until the insurance claims were settled to continue construction, I would expect a delay. Perhaps "Nonetheless" is not needed.
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As a side comment, you did an extraordinarily good job describing all the architectural features. It's difficult to do, but I was literally walking through the church in my mind because of your descriptions.–
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Comment: I removed "the" from whereupon the 58 treble bells were replaced... since there were 74 bells were installed by that point, and there's no discussion of what particular 58 bells were replaced.–
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I was wondering if the six councils from the previous section were able to make progress... or if the dissention that
Campbell could still be due to a lack of organizational process and harmony.
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General comment: very cool about the Olmsted Brothers working on Sakura Park! And, I am reminded of chanting in the cloisters of upper Manhattan. i.e., it is bringing back great memories.–
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Please feel free to change the wording in the Tower stories section. And, I think that you said that you were okay with the rest of the edits I made. If that's so, we're almost done.
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I left "Untapped" as a source and added a NYC architectural site that is the only other source that I can find for 14th largest chancel organ (or 14th largest organ).
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1927:GA criteria
1797:This source
434:contested?–
104:visual edit
2495:Epicgenius
2455:epicgenius
2187:plagiarism
2056:Verifiable
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544:Yes, done.
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213:Neo-Gothic
48:Authorship
34:GA toolbox
1938:Attribute
1755:Stone Gym
979:Removed.
666:Removed.
384:modernism
144:Reviewer:
71:Templates
62:Reviewing
27:GA Review
2472:source.–
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2289:edit war
1774:Basement
1690:Carillon
536:Removed.
497:cloister
490:Planning
240:carillon
157:contribs
76:Criteria
2501:where:
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2115:below.–
2038:fiction
1696:edited.
1470:Narthex
1063:Great.
1017:Great.
982:Great.
947:Great.
912:Great.
839:Great!
758:Great!
669:Great!
372:History
271:narthex
242:, too.
127:history
108:history
94:Article
2343:, and
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