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Could I suggest that we take another shot at re-writing the paragraphs to state more clearly that all allegations were unproven? To have several paragraphs outlining the nature of allegations and then one line at the end where it states that no allegation is arguably libellous and would demonstrate a
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I am the subject of this article. There are two issues: 1. The balance of the article relating to allegations against me which are wrong, unfair and damaging. They were withdrawn by the complainant after a high level and extended police investigation and a decision by the police to take no action.
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It seems unfair that unproven allegations are reported in significant depth but that the allegations were withdrawn or not proven. If the allegations are not to be removed because they were widely reported, there should be sufficient commentary on how the allegations were withdrawn and or unproven.
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I don't think banning is warranted. One edit was adding useful information to the article. The other was something I would have preferred he make a request on this talk page about, since it involved a paragraph critical of him. I don't think the rewording was objectionable and I would have accepted
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These allegations were widely reported in the news media, and are clearly highly relevant. We need to be careful to report them in the same terms as the media used. The article appears to be relatively restrained in which allegations are reported. I see you added that Worth denied the allegations.
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I'd like to propose adding this new section to the article. I've used
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