Talk:Rinoa Heartilly - Knowledge (XXG)

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fully convinced she's half-Asian half-Caucasian, heh). And Squall definitely looks Caucasian. But, so what's the controversy there? If there was some fan segment that was concerned that advanced computer graphics would make characters identifiable as a member of a certain human race, that's fine - but it needs to be cited. Because in the article right now, no controversy is being identified, except the unexplained implication that people (labeled as "accusers" in the article right now) have something against Asian-looking characters. But I do believe this topic of racial appearance of animated characters is interesting for anyone into Japanese popular culture.

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its criticisms). It seems odd that with a goal of being comprehensive of the subject in question, that no mention, even objectively about the theory itself is ever made. I understand taking things at face value, and that creating the article with only the given facts is one goal of Wiki. But the theory itself is a real and, due to its prominence and controversy, large attachment to the subject, just as "fan's reactions to Rinoa" is a real and large part of the subject.

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for much of it on the White SeeD ship. How about this: Keep her article as heroine and put the others as primary characters, making them important since she's more important storywise? Could we please? I don't want an edit war. I just wrote heroine because it simplier to spell and takes up less space. I'd use simple words for the same effect, regardless of whether it is "encyclopedic". Plus it is not original research. -Eileen-

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cultural divides that exist between Japan and America, and which are easily overlooked (or unrecognized) by individuals without proper cultural awareness. The Asian-Caucasian dating controversey is just one of these factors. I wouldn't expect an average American to be aware of this, but at the same time, they must defer to those of us who are. --

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all of these points stand up well on their own, but seem to make a strong case when corroborate with one another. I also recall emailing a Square-Enix employee and getting the statement that there was nothing oficial, but that he personally felt it was one of the better theories out there. Consider it?

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The imagery and indicators in the game may seem obtuse, but without an explanation, they would merely be frivolous and lacking in cohesiveness. Not to mention that the theory, despite being a "fan theory" is significant enough that individuals familiar with FFVIII also mostly know of the theory (and

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While it's true that there isn't any official evidence for the theory, it seems to render a key part of the game completely flippant if it isn't true. If the naming of the ring in the beginning of the game has no bearing to the fact that Ultimecia's final summon is the exact same name as the one you

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1) GF's can come from rings (i.e. Solomon Ring and Doom Train) and Squall's ring is named at the beginning of the game (Griever) and the name carries to Ultimecia's final summon. The person who has the ring during the game is Rinoa, who is given the ring and its copy by Zell and never returns it to

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I thought it was a rather well circulated theory that Rinoa and Ultimecia are alluded to being the same individual in the game. Though nothing was ever officially stated by Square-Enix, is it worth mentioning the relationship and the possible in-game references? I was surprised to see no discussion

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i'm not really sure if this is the right place or way to mention this, but, in my experience rinoa is a very "controversial" character in terms of her popularity. i.e, a lot of people find her annoying, and she's often cited as one of the most annoying characters in the ff series, etc., etc. however,

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I can't say anything about the fansite, since I'm not familiar with it, but I don't think we should include stuff about Rinoa's asian features. Firstly, the ethnicities of the characters in FF8 are never explicitly stated anywhere, so if we say Rinoa's asian that'd be original research and opinion.

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hart. If you bothered to pay attention to the story (if you even played the game, that is), you would know that Squall changed his name to "Leon", because he felt that he was weak for not protecting his home Hollow Bastion (aka Radiant Garden) from the Heartless many years ago. He didn't want be weak

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Yeah, I think I've seen it on encyclopedias somewhere. I'll see if I can find it. By the way, Sheila's site is not just another fansite because she hardly gives her personal opinion on it which is hard to believe but it is true since I've been to it. She also uses info from the FFVIII Ultimania Guide

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Actually there is a princess reference at least three times. The first time is on the Forest Owls Train when Zone tells Squall to go wake the princess--Rinoa--and the second is on Fisherman's Horizon when Quistis jokes to Squall on a way to awaken the comatose Rinoa "She might awaken from a kiss from

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I think the article needs good sources to back up this entire section of the article. It should definitely be considered for deletion if there is nothing to back up these statements. Right now it seems like this part of the article is suggesting there is a problem with interracial relationships. Plus

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6) During the final scene when Squall is lost in time compression, views of Rinoa are consistently superimposed on Ultimecia. If time is compressed, then looking at an individual should show all forms of that person past and present, and thus, looking at Rinoa would reveal Ultimecia. A final shot

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I've removed it again for now, though of course you can feel free to revert it back if you decide it works. What we need is some good sourcing, otherwise it can easily be dismissed as original research. At least with the "princess" part I've seen quite a bit of fan dislike (even outright anger) from

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I agree! If you're racist and against inter-racial match-ups, just say so instead of euphemising it in terms like "proper cultural awareness". As an Asian female, I object to this being a so-called "controversy", as this is the 21st century and it is perfectly OK for Asians and whites to date. Or

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Looking at the final FMV with tis near 5-6 seconds of superimposed images of only Rinoa and Ultimecia flashing by also seems like a non-sequitor if the theory doesn't hold. The theory itself seems to give Ultimecia depth as a final boss instead of more or less being a randomly third-act introduced

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On top of this racial issue, it all seems terribly relative. As a Chinese person, I view most of Square-Enix's CG'd characters as having distinctive Japanese style and features, even if they aren't intended to be Japanese, per se (i.e. Tidus, Selphie, Rinoa, Quistis) and I attribute that mainly to

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Hi, I'm not sure how to post here. Rinoa is not Asian. She's meant to look European as are her parents. My site also has never mentioned that Rinoa is Asian, ever. Quite the opposite. I constantly point out that FF8 has Asians (Kadowaki, Xu) and Rinoa is Galbadian. Nomura describing all of the main

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How about we call Rinoa "the heroine" and Quistis and Selphie "a main character or heroine"? (Feel free to choose or suggest a new idea). I'm suggesting this so no one is shoved aside but Rinoa is the heroine (to emphasis her importance in the story as the female lead). Are you ok with this? I also

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Now that is out of the way, what about what is currently in this section of the article? Rinoa being a "stereotypical princess". I played this game fully, but it's been years since I've played it... I don't however remember a direct mention of her being a "stereotypical princess" at all. I do think

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Seconded, for the same reasons. There is no source provided for these supposed inter-racial problems, and in the seven years this game has been out I haven't heard a peep about this outside of Knowledge (XXG). For controversy sections, one really has to provide sourcing on Knowledge (XXG), as well.

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Basically, Ultimecia is a GF-memory muddled Rinoa bent on time compression who cannot remember the initial reasons for her quest nor can any longer recall her friends of the one she really loved, only the key vestiges of that past: SeeDs, gunblade-wielder as knight, field of flowers, Griever. Not

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Well how can Quistis and Selphie can heroines if they fade into the background after disc 2 when the game focuses on Squall and Rinoa's relationship? They are heroic but I wouldn't call them heroines because the game doesn't focus on them, Edea's possessed for alot of the game and Ellone is absent

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Agreed, provide some good sources for her being labeled as a stereotypical princess (maybe a professional review from a well-known gaming site, magazine, etc. which may mention this). The thing about Rinoa being Asian seems solely as an observational opinion, but the designer of the character said

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I agree that the stuff about "criticism along racial lines" should either be cited (so people can go check the sources of this criticism) or be deleted. What exactly is the criticism or controversy? That Rinoa looks Asian? Is this controversy? In my opinion, she does look Asian (actually, I am

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Looking at your seven points, I see lots of "could", "could be", "possibly", "if" etc. Does that not indicate that these conclusions are based on speculation and original research? And while I do agree that the "Rinoa is Ultimecia" theory is interesting and quite a large part of FF8 fanlore, it

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We don't know that for sure. The only thing that could even hint at her existence in the KH universe is the wings, and that is shaky evidence at best. They aren't even the right shape, if you look close enough. I've edited the article to include this information, and reworded it so that it is not

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of the theory focuses on specific interpretations of scenes whose meaning is either deliberately obtuse or simply have a wide range of explanations, and some of them have extremely flimsy backing. For example, Squall's ring containing Griever is next to meaningless, as there's no indication that

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3) Ultimecia actively pursues Seifer in the past. I they are the same individual, and if GF's do indeed cause memory damage, an aged Rinoa/Ultimecia could look at Seifer and see him as Squall based on not only the gunblade and scar, but the fragmented memories of Rinoa's past relationship with

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Yeah, and they have to be excellent sources. My guess is this topic was probably discussed at some online Final Fantasy messageboard and I guess someone brought this up and a bunch of people started talking about it. Guesses or assumptions won't do me any good, but that's just my kick at where I

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It should be noted (as many contributors on the FF series fail to recognize) that there are many factors that Americans overlook with the Americanized versions of the games. So far, I had to correct the articles on Zell, Seifer, and now Rinoa because contributors are ignorant of the racial and

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At some point, this article mentioned how later Final Fantasy heroines have the same generic Rinoa look. I mean this is a PART of the Final Fantasy community. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with it; this is an actual issue, a pretty big criticism of Square-Enix. Google in "Rinoa clone"

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So this is another one of the Niemti articles. Based on the exhaustive sourcing, I don't see how this character is independently notable. The closest we get is that quote that Rinoa's name is unforgettable. The rest of the list mentions are passing mentions and don't constitute

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I restored the racial criticism of the game, although it appears different from numerous (and helpful) changes that were made earlier. I would appreciate if whoever made those changes could try and restore some of them - the history is too long for me to find them all.

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I recall that the developers sincerely wanted to make her look European but somehow ended up having an Asian-looking character and calling that good enough. I hesitate to add that as of yet because I don't have a proper citation for it in front of me, though.

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As others have pointed out, for one side or another, this part of the article is slightly biased. It should not be ignored or excluded, but it should show both sides of the theory, instead of just some shaky evidence for one side presented as undeniable fact.

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some people who are thoroughly disgusted by Rinoa, but I haven't seen anything at all in regards to this suppossed Asian/Caucasian pairing controversy. Is there a relevant Knowledge (XXG) article on this to even provide information that this actually exists?

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the prince." (Almost perfect wording but not quite.) The third time this occurs is on the Ragnarok if you have Quistis in your party and she'll say "Where's the princess that changed the ever cautious Squall?" So that is why that reference is there. -Eileen-

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A fair point, however the text as of the current version (to me) makes little sense and is sore need of a rewrite. Of the two paragraphs dealing with this issue, in the first I can't see any point being made at all (except perhaps an obtuse hint that the

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Ok I did all the corrections, sourced what I could, rewrote, cut stuff. One thing I can say is that Angelo might have been been based on a dog at Nomura’s office, but its in the Ultimania and I don’t have access to it. But otherwise I think it’s done!

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More broadly, Refs 38-43 all seem to fall into the category of "Top 10" listicles that are generally discouraged these days as RS, even within otherwise reliable publications, especially for the near-ubiquitous "Hottest babes in games" articles of the

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For the most part, the theory is simply speculation without much backing in real in-game evidence. Furthermore, being a fan theory, it would need credible sources to back it up if were to even be included on Knowledge (XXG) without it being original

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1. Sheila's site about Rinoa. I normally don't like fanlistings and they usually shouldn't be in articles but I think there should be an exception for this one because it is exceptionally well done and the author doesn't use her opinions very often.

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God, you can't be that stupid. I played KH2 and I know for a fact that she isn't in it. Why do people insist that she is? And as for the person that posted below my previous post, get your facts straight. That person named "Leon" is still Squall

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2) Ultimecia's castle is located in the field of flowers where Rinoa promises to meet Squall if she ever gets lost. Though Ultimecia never explains this, it could be subconscious, based upon the promise and years of memory loss due to a GF.

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Ref fails verification/borders on OR to me. From the quote, it's not clear that it was based on feedback from FF7 or that the miniskirt refers to Tifa's miniskirt. Rinoa also wears a miniskirt with shorts so they could be referring to that.

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evidence of the R-U theory, which is my main objection to it. There's quite a bit of wiggle room for circumstancial evidence, but this relies on an individual's interpretation of particular abstract and symbolic events, which I personally do

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Except that she's seen in her FF8 outfit. Oh, wait. That's right: she didn't speak out her name loudly. Same as Squall, of course: that person is called ... "Leon" ... so there are obviously no connections between Squall and Kingdom Hearts

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But it doesn’t, as far as I can tell. If Ultimecia didn’t possess Rinoa, and hadn’t been possessing Edea previously, she would not have suddenly had magical powers. That’s how I understand the plot anyway. I tried to rewrite it though.

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Be that as it may, these are all theories. While they do have a place on the page, they should not be stated as out-and-out fact. Only when Rinoa actually makes an appearance or is explicitly alluded to can this be considered factual.

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All in all (even though they are shaped differently), the wings on Squall's jacket are a reference to Rinoa herself. And Rinoa isn't "clearly shown in the opening hours of gameplay of Kingdom Hearts II". Making up things doesn't help.

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In the Japanese version of the game Ultimecia mentions, during the final battle, that she's drawing Griever from Squall's mind. She's taking what he believes to be the most powerful creature, and turning it into an opponent for

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she was designed as European. I don't know about you but I think the person who designed Rinoa knows her physically more than we do and if he says she is European then it is so. That's another thing which needs a source too.

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No, it isn't just her story. Yes, she's a primary character, but she is still one of three (arguably four) heroines. I've changed it to "primary character," which should stand well as a neutral means of referencing her.

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Well uhh... the criminal law has sections for "antisocial behaviour", and I think the fact that Squall is being referred to as Antisocial rather than Unsocial, would fit the misunderstanding of him from others. :P

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She makes an appearance. Only people who didn't play the game wouldn't know this, because it's impossible or simply unnecessary to take screenshots and video captures of the **entire** game and put those on web

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Well if this would be true. Then there would be a reason to make a movie out of FF8 as a continuing storyline. But thats just my theory. It will propably never happen, We can allways hope or dream about it.

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her "criticism" section is basically devoid of any of that - it only mentions various people that do like her. i'm not sure, but, it seems to me like the negative reaction to her is also worth mentioning...?

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Not opposed; she's not the most iconic character, even from her own game, as evidenced by the pretty short development section and the usual Niemti mountain-out-of-a-series-of-molehills reception section.

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this controversy section still needs to have a good source otherwise the whole thing should be deleted. I still stand on my theory that this whole thing was picked up from some random messageboard/forum.

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think this sprung up. If I'm right, this section has no place in the article and don't even think about linking to a messageboard topic (which would be a horrible source) which may discuss this matter.

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The bit where Squall is referred to as 'antisocial' is incorrect- antisocial people like to harm others rather than avoid them. Would 'unsocial,' 'avoident,' or 'schizoid' better describe him?

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Ref is a preview interview before the game was released. The only reason the female character is ambiguous at this point in time is because she hasn't been revealed yet. To a naive player,

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Something like that would have to be cited, otherwise it falls into the realm of opinion and is not NPOV. Is there an external reliable source that mentions how people find her annoying?

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of a faceless Squall points to his future death possibly inspiring Rinoa's change to Ultimecia. The realization of what Rinoa may become may result in the tears Squall cries at the end.

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Uh, the "racial" comments in the article are unclear. Asian/Caucasian match-ups are "bad"? Either be specific or the section is pointless and, frankly, racist in its connotations.

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for the general notability guideline. I can go on, but I would propose that the prose be greatly condensed and then merged as a major section back into the FF8 characters article.

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Squall's ring is special in any way. Certainly nothing says it is the same as the Solomon Ring. Most of the other examples usually offered also focus on "maybes" and "possibly."

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Combine the remainder of the paragraph "On the other hand, Charlie Barratt ... her character was too stereotypical" with the last paragraph of criticism in this section.

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I have added back the race issue in the last paragraph but I edited it to make it more accurate and I think it is it flows better and doesn't seem as negative. -Eileen-

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cited. This is the difference between the "reaction and criticism" section and a section about the theory; the "reaction and criticism" section is cited as required.

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This still contradicts "Through his time with Rinoa, he discovers that she now has Edea's magical powers, making her a Sorceress as well" from later in the article.

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Rinoa is clearly shown in the opening hours of gameplay of Kingdom Hearts II. Therefore, the statement related to this discussion is void and shall be rectified.

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quote mark here: ’. This is a straight quote mark: '. You should disable your keyboard's autocorrecting to curly quote marks when editing on Knowledge (XXG).

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The primary problem isn't accuracy; its sourcing. We need actual references to this event cited, preferably in third-party sources. Otherwise its pretty much

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the fact that the designer who designed Rinoa said she was modeled as European also makes this section inaccurate. It seems completely one-sided in opinion.

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I made an entry about Rinoa in the KH series. It is worth mentioning that she exists in that series, even though she didn't make an official appearance.

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It's an obvious reference to Rinoa. Why would they make Squall open up a letter with a butterfly or some random set of wings coming out of it? Come on.

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characters are a mystery. I think the takeaway of this interview answer is the bit about how the embrace is supposed to evoke emotion. The mystery is

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Sorry I wasn't done earlier. I responded to some of your changes above as well. See messages marked with the timestamp 21:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

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I think you should drop the "unknown woman" angle. By the time the game came out, it was obvious who the woman is. Focus on the why, not the who.

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After a few days I've seen no objections to this. I'm breaking out the wikichainsaw. Feel free to revert if disputed, but if so, please provide

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Speaking of which, Angelo is only mentioned here. Is there no design info on Angelo? Seems appropriate to include in Design, if only briefly.

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4) Ultimecia's final speech upon her defeat talks about loss and the fleetingness of time, possibly a reference to a now deceased Squall.

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1a: pass b: pass c: weak pass. It does not seriously violate the MOS for writing fiction, but the article could be improved in that area.

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Ok I cut two of them, should I cut all of them? Should her beauty or “hotness” not be mentioned? Just want to be clear what I should do.

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Throw an extra ref name to in there somewhere so it's clear that it's cited to that. You go 4 sentences without a ref in the beginning.

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maintain encyclopedic language, and "heroine" is not encyclopedic as it stands. I've altered the article to use "heroine" but instead as

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Harming people is only a secondary meaning of the word. Primarily it just refers to a reluctance to mix socially with other people. : -->

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Ref doesn't really praise anything. It just says it's cute/awkward, and it's part of preview coverage of an entirely different game.

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I still think it's a misuse of the word. It's like saying someone with a head cold has the flu when the flu is much more serious.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140718215117/http://www.gamesradar.com/every-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-videogame-reference/?page=2

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to make it more than just some opinion piece. Check it out if you don't believe me. It is in Rinoa's reference section. -Eileen-

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possession by Ultimecia isn't what causes her to become a sorceress and contradicts the explanation later in the article

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I've reviewed the article and it appears to pass the GA criteria. I made a few tiny edits, but overall, a job well done.

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I love this article. Thanks Deckiller for working so hard on it. Here is what I think should be added to the article:

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https://www.rpgfan.com/feature/its-complicated-how-final-fantasy-viii-xiii-explore-the-complexities-of-relationships/

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are displaying racism towards the Japanese - if this is intended its needs stating more clearly, preferably without

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Seifer. As well she chooses him as her knight, which may be reciprocal from Squall swearing to be Rinoa's knight.

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It looks good; this needs to be done for almost every "fan reaction" or "criticism" section out there, methinks.

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https://square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-gives-rinoa-a-voice-and-introduces-a-new-level

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It's true it doesn't really matter. I just noticed that she looks a little Asian, at least her eyes do. -Eileen-

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Squall is antisocial. He doesn't want to have any relationships with anyone. Unsocial doesn't cut it. -Eileen-

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As you already know, these are the wings on Rinoa's sweater (you may need to copy and paste this url address):

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Then use my quotes. They should be enough. The race issue is discussed at Sheila's site about Rinoa. -Eileen-

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7) If Squall dies on a mission, it may be the reason why a future, muddled Rinoa might hate SeeD and SeeDs.

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Now this sentence repeats "female characters" too many times. "and were overshadowing their personalities"?

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And the wings are shaped more like the wings on Squall's jacket, not like the ones on Rinoa's sweater. Look:

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I put back "the heroine" instead of "one of the heroines" since FFVIII is Squall's and her story. -Eileen-

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5) Both Ultimecia and Rinoa share a feather motif; Rinoa's being white and Ultimecia's being black.

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I've heard that but your right still don't have a source. Are you gonna try to find one? -Eileen-

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Aye, but as it's an official psychological disorder, it makes the statement somewhat inaccurate.

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I still think the part of her being a stereotypical princess should have a source though.

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Ref can be used to replace Ref to verify the existence of the Rinoa Ultimecia theory

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about it on this page and no reference to it under Ultimecia's profiel or Rinoa's.

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think we should also do this with the guys too (Squall, Zell and Irvine.) -Eileen-

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I really don't think much debate is going to happen on this point, so let's have

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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

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Caption for Kana should make clear that she was not voiced in the original game

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said "it is scary to think about the impact that a game can give to the society"

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Actually that is exactly what I had in mind. We must think similarly. -Eileen-

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If there's anything else that needs clarification, please let me know. Thanks.

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But it is still a fan site, yes? If so, it's still not a professional source.

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Knowledge (XXG) featured topics Characters of Final Fantasy VIII good content

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Yeah I looked through the article, I think you did, I don’t see any others.

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Ref does not verify "the couple was developed correctly in the narrative"

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quotes in this article. I fixed a few but I don't think I got them all.

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I assume this is some fan site. Isn't there a more professional source?

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The Scott Pilgrim ref only appears in an older version of that article

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mastermind (though, I admit, Square did the same with IX and Necron).

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This change now makes the reference to Tifa in the lead obsolete.

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I'll go ahead and edit it then. (Little errors like that bug me.)

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I made a few final changes and I think it's good to go. Passed.

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Explain who Chiba is (he's credited as Event Director in FF8).

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give the ring, then why is it included? It seems frivolous.

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models that are more than likely going to be Japanese/Asian.

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This isn't important. It shouldn't be included. -Eileen-

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sometime. I think it should be included in the article.

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Now, for Rinoa's wings insignia during the credits of

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Don't revert quite yet. I'll find a source. -Eileen-

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I rewrote it to be clearer how she gets her powers.

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http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1

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