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480: 457: 439: 408: 384: 357: 343: 314: 296: 282: 268: 233: 199: 655:"A popular theory..." This transition is jarring. There's no reason why the Rinoa/Ultimecia theory should be in the same paragraph as the above stuff on visual design. If you can find any more info on Rinoa's story design, you might make a new paragraph on that and include this theory at the end. Otherwise, nix it in this section and move it to the Rinoa/Ultimecia paragraph in Reception 42: 946:"Critics have countered that the two characters have contrasting designs" - again, the ref doesn't really say this 'in counter to' the theory. They just make the observation that their designs contrast, but not in reference to the theory. Also I just saw that GameRant (Ref ) is unreliable per 1125:
Ok I did all the corrections, sourced what I could, rewrote, cut stuff. One thing I can say is that Angelo might have been been based on a dog at Nomura’s office, but its in the Ultimania and I don’t have access to it. But otherwise I think it’s done!
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More broadly, Refs 38-43 all seem to fall into the category of "Top 10" listicles that are generally discouraged these days as RS, even within otherwise reliable publications, especially for the near-ubiquitous "Hottest babes in games" articles of the
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Ref fails verification/borders on OR to me. From the quote, it's not clear that it was based on feedback from FF7 or that the miniskirt refers to Tifa's miniskirt. Rinoa also wears a miniskirt with shorts so they could be referring to that.
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But it doesn’t, as far as I can tell. If Ultimecia didn’t possess Rinoa, and hadn’t been possessing Edea previously, she would not have suddenly had magical powers. That’s how I understand the plot anyway. I tried to rewrite it though.
693:"Fans ... in France" - became is used twice in this sentence, reword to avoid this. Also it implies that the official French translation copied the fan translation, which 1) doesn't seem likely, 2) isn't quite supported by the ref. 679:"The official names of Final Fantasy VIII's characters were released by Shonen Jump when the game released to the general public" - this doesn't make sense. Do you mean when the game was announced to the general public? 671:"Critics have countered that the two characters have sharply contrasting designs" This one is a stretch. Ref does make note of their contrasting designs but does not use it as evidence against the theory. 722:
Ref is a preview interview before the game was released. The only reason the female character is ambiguous at this point in time is because she hasn't been revealed yet. To a naive player,
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Combine the remainder of the paragraph "On the other hand, Charlie Barratt ... her character was too stereotypical" with the last paragraph of criticism in this section.
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This still contradicts "Through his time with Rinoa, he discovers that she now has Edea's magical powers, making her a Sorceress as well" from later in the article.
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quote mark here: ’. This is a straight quote mark: '. You should disable your keyboard's autocorrecting to curly quote marks when editing on Knowledge (XXG).
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characters are a mystery. I think the takeaway of this interview answer is the bit about how the embrace is supposed to evoke emotion. The mystery is
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Sorry I wasn't done earlier. I responded to some of your changes above as well. See messages marked with the timestamp 21:19, 18 June 2020 (UTC).
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I think you should drop the "unknown woman" angle. By the time the game came out, it was obvious who the woman is. Focus on the why, not the who.
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Speaking of which, Angelo is only mentioned here. Is there no design info on Angelo? Seems appropriate to include in Design, if only briefly.
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Ok I cut two of them, should I cut all of them? Should her beauty or “hotness” not be mentioned? Just want to be clear what I should do.
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Throw an extra ref name to in there somewhere so it's clear that it's cited to that. You go 4 sentences without a ref in the beginning.
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Ref doesn't really praise anything. It just says it's cute/awkward, and it's part of preview coverage of an entirely different game.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20140718215117/http://www.gamesradar.com/every-scott-pilgrim-vs-the-world-videogame-reference/?page=2
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possession by Ultimecia isn't what causes her to become a sorceress and contradicts the explanation later in the article
767:"with Kana Hanazawa voicing her in Japanese, and by Skyler Davenport in English" - the prepositions here are wrong. Use 205: 250: 1131: 1080: 1058: 921: 798:
https://square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-gives-rinoa-a-voice-and-introduces-a-new-level
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Now this sentence repeats "female characters" too many times. "and were overshadowing their personalities"?
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Ref is about an entirely different lingering plot line; it's not about Rinoa = Ultimecia
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Refs and do not verify the claim that "Rinoa's weaponry is interesting though atypical"
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Ref and are not RS and I think this so-called "censorship" isn't noteworthy to mention
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Ref can be used to replace Ref to verify the existence of the Rinoa Ultimecia theory
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Caption for Kana should make clear that she was not voiced in the original game
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Yeah I looked through the article, I think you did, I don’t see any others.
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Ref does not verify "the couple was developed correctly in the narrative"
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quotes in this article. I fixed a few but I don't think I got them all.
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The Scott Pilgrim ref only appears in an older version of that article
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Section links to General Caraway, Julia, Zell, Selphie, Edea are broken
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This change now makes the reference to Tifa in the lead obsolete.
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I made a few final changes and I think it's good to go. Passed.
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Kitase may have designed the logo (not clear from the ref), but
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Explain who Chiba is (he's credited as Event Director in FF8).
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Ref is a self-published Medium post, does not qualify as RS
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Ref is archived but not marked as such in the cite template
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https://archive.rpgamer.com/features/2012/dogs/dogs-5.html
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https://archive.rpgamer.com/editor/1999/q4/112499as.html
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https://archive.rpgamer.com/editor/2005/q2/041805gm.html
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I rewrote it to be clearer how she gets her powers.
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