Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War/Archive 3

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just add information of this weight to the page citing only one source, which has over the course of the whole crises taken a strictly Pro-Ukrainian stance. Another point I would like to stress is the language and the light in which people write these sentences. I do assume that every editor on the website is sufficiently educated to use English language in a neutral manner, without trying to cause any implications. The sentence that I am referring to seems to imply that Pro-Russian troops charged the compound guns blazing while using women as human shields, which in turn prevented the Ukrainian troops from shooting back (it further implies that Ukrainian troops WOULD have shot back if there weren`t any women). It further implies that women were taken against their will (if in fact there were any women at the head of the "attacking" force). Therefore I would like to ask for this particular piece of information to be removed until a greater number of sources can be cited of rewritten in a way that reflects its uncertainty and possibly biased sourcing.

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hasn't, Venezuela hasn't, China has been neutral, and there is no reporting on what the views of major African countries like South Africa, Nigeria, or Egypt have on the issue. There is an amazingly arrogant tendency in the West to equate significant solidarity between EU countries and the United States as equating international solidarity probably for propaganda purposes but maybe also because they don't consider other countries to be significant. Knowledge (XXG) is what its users make it to be - on contentious issues there will be die-hards pressing their biases, the issue is resisting those efforts.--

1959:, all have in common? Every last one of them included conflict outside of the nations and territories for which they are named. Any incursions into Kherson are not part of some wider intervention, but merely extensions of the intervention in Crimea. There is nothing significant about incursions into Kherson. Let us say, for argument's sake, that Russia launched a wider intervention into Ukraine. This article would probably be kept focused on Crimea-related actions, akin to a single event within a wider conflict, and a new article created to cover the general intervention.-- 281:, no. Those are indeed Russian soldiers without identification. You see, soldiers from Russia and Ukraine know well each other by name, because many of them study at the same military academies, participate in sport events for military and various joint military training exercises. Also, there were incidents of detaining those Russian green armymen and they have the Russian military documents. The lack of identification is for international community. Let's really keep to the facts which across the world confirm that unidentified soldiers are from Russia. 408:, BBC), plus there are many more information on which can also be found. There is sports competition as Spartakiads for friendly armies in which participate teams from the post-Soviet republics. As for the facts, the credible sources that I use are press releases made by officials. So, before jumping here with threats, you need to first listen to what I am saying. And why do you thing just because you are threatening somebody will back away? What is that all about?? 1496:

incursions that are simply about shoring up defenses along the border of Crimea are merely extensions of the Crimean intervention and not some general intervention in Ukraine. Three of the four opposes are just technical nit-picks that are really not sufficient reason against the rename and the other is just factually wrong. To characterize it as a "Russian military intervention in Ukraine" creates the impression of wider intervention than has actually occurred.--

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Ukrainian army out of this equation. There is no need to interfere in politics - Aksyonov with his referendum of his is in a "do or die" situation, he will do anything to pull it of. New government in Kiev made a mistake to antagonise Moscow before firmly establishing itself. Troops in question are a function here, be thy Russian, Zimbabwean or indeed Crimean (native or hired). Thank you for the link to an interesting article. --

876: 822: 2471:, I would be inclined to agree. I don't know about removing the sentence. Maybe slap a nice fat tag on it instead? Unfortunately I think a lot of the editing is coming from Ukrainian, Russian, and other Slavic-speaking editors who might not have had that much education in English. I'm basing this off both the gravity of the situation for the area and the fact that a lot of subjects are missing articles within the article. 1610:- I also agree that this title should be changed to "in Crimea". This is not to dispute Ukrainian territorial sovereignty or to support the unrecognized Republic of Crimea, but to be more geographically accurate. If Russia moves troops into the rest of Ukraine, then we can certainly change the name back. Sebastopol is in the Crimea. It is not in the "Autonomous Republic of Crimea", but it is in the geographic location. 1829:

objectively be considered neutral. On the other hand, using the name Crimea in the title makes no assertions as to who Crimea "belongs" to one way or another; it's entirely neutral. With that said, if Russian military intervention in non-Crimea Ukraine becomes a significant enough event, we should then either move the article back to the current name, or start a new article.

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needed actual Russian military intervention. I have to doubt the whole premise of this article. Obviously, they could have finessed the timing and "propaganda" effort around the vote to get more international support, but there has been some Western precedent, and there was little doubt which way this vote would go.

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I find it quite obscene that something like this could be added to the page of a website such as Knowledge (XXG). An event such as this and the blatant disrespect to the human life it implies are so big it is unimaginable to think that such a scandal would go unnoticed by any other media. We can not

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As of today it's unlikely that Crimea will be part of Ukraine according to part of the world and most Crimean residents. By using Ukraine in the article name, "Crimea is Ukraine" becomes English Knowledge (XXG)'s official stance, which regardless of whether or not we agree with it personally, cannot

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This and arguments to the effect that "Crimea is a significant part of Ukraine" are why this title is a problem. Clearly this is an NPOV issue where the intention is to paint this as Russian aggression against the whole of Ukraine because it is more suitable for partisan purposes than treating it as

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Currently two Western international law scholars are quoted in detail in the section on legal aspects of the intervention. It appears as if their positions reflect the international law academic community at large. This is not a fair representation of it. Either a balanced section showing a spectrum

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Armed forces of Russian Federation - 1 million, Republic of Ukraine - 300,000. Both armies conscript-based. For last 20 years Russian officers been studying in Russian academies and Ukrainian officers - in Ukrainian. I have heard, that Ukraine conduct annual exercises with NATO, but I never heard of

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Whatever doubts about a real/actual Russian military intervention in the Crimea that may have existed when this article was created 20 hours ago, have pretty much evaporated now with multiple worldwide major media reliable sources covering the matter, and numerous nation-state governments commenting

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Welcome to the new Knowledge (XXG), where blatant lies and propaganda can go undisputed. So far I was a fan of the Knowledge (XXG) project, but this article shows the project is failing. Where is the self-control of contributors, when only the view of one side (the Western propaganda) has room? Why

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This article describes events specifically in Crimea (and related incidents just over its border). Referring to Crimea is NPOV - in spite of international recognition of Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine, I understand Russia and its supporters consider it as a separate entity. If Russia expands

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Anyway, I'm a bit confused by what you said about civilian demonstrators being the main topic - it's my understanding that Crimea's occupation by totally-not-Russian-really-honestly forces, with all its surrounding events like the shutdown of Ukrainian TV channels in the Crimean peninsula and their

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Either way, this is a small village right on the border of Crimea and it appears the sole purpose of the incursion was to build defenses along the border of Crimea. It would be like calling the Iraq War the Middle East War because there were incursions into other countries all along its border over

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This entire article needs to be drastically re-written. At the moment it stinks. totally Ukrainian dominated POV, with no insight into the Crimeas effectively Gibraltar like status. Its almost exclusively ethnically Russian, so self determination issues come in here too. You cannot invade when your

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I must agree with both this criticism and the one above. Even AlJazeera is towing the party line. I think we need to find some sources that aren't Russian or Western that might have a more NPOV view of it all. With all the Russian speaking ex-military and/or gun toting Crimeans, I don't think they

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On 23 February, following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the law on languages of minorities, including Russian, was abolished. In so doing, Russian-speaking regions were infuriated that the new government made Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels, seemingly pressing ahead with Ukrainian

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I also agree that this title should be changed to "in Crimea". This is not to dispute Ukrainian territorial sovereignty or to support the unrecognized Republic of Crimea, but to be more geographically accurate. If Russia moves troops into the rest of Ukraine, then we can certainly change the name

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As a person from the West who is alert to bias of any kind, I agree that there has been substantial Western bias imported onto these pages just as there has been pro-Russian bias. Especially extremely arrogant assertions that "most" of the international community condemns Russia's actions. India

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Its not possible to loose something that isnt there in a first place. If a politician tells something that is not true he is telling lies. When a military person tells something that is not true its disinformation. One example of disinformation is when Ukrainian MoD told the press that Black Sea

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Regarding you first point, a referendum in which 95% of the votes are for joining Russia does not indicate a forceful annexation. Also, I did not dispute the article's name yesterday. Today is a different story. As for your second question, personally, I think this article should be merged with

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OK, let's be clear here for a moment. Crimea constitutes a fairly small portion of Ukraine's territory and there is no Russian military presence outside that region. Sevastopol being administratively separate from the province is quite meaningless as it is indisputably part of the Crimea. Minor

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These lists just continue growing. Cuba fighting Chinese Taipei in Crimea. Is it encyclopedia or what? Are you agree to remove it? There is whole section for international reaction. I can do it but I'm just anonymous and don't want to start editwar. Better someone with more authority to do it.

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With the exception of one or two extremely minor incursions along the Crimean border with Kherson, there has been no Russian military presence at any point outside Crimea. No reason to include "Southern Ukraine" or really anything other than "Crimea" after the first part of the title. It is an

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Seriously though its like with these solders without insignia. Crimea is taken over by a pro-Russian government led by Sergey Aksyonov. Only option for central government to restore constitutional order was to call in the army. This is when these solders come in. They effectively cancelled out

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is key information not even mentioned in this article (e.g. fascists have taken over the government in Kiev)? And finally, who decides whose view is acceptable and whose view isn't? If these things are not clarified, then why not admit it: Knowledge (XXG) has become a propaganda tool.

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Google Translate tells me that Ain-th, the person who wrote this and the message below, is sorry that they're writing in Russian, but they can't keep silent and (something something) in English. They very much hope that there's someone among us that can translate it into English.

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The dispute is not over the number of troops, but what they are doing. Good or legal, setting up a new border in the Kherson area and enabling a binding vote in Crimea is an intervention - it changes the shape of Ukraine. Intervention is a neutral word meaning that they are

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The Al-Jazeera criticism gives the impression that it's more a matter of disliking the information. Al-Jazeera is probably one of the only actual trustworthy news-sources you can find these days... except for Israel-Palestine issues. There's no good media outlet for that.

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replacement with Russian state television, has had a much larger effect on the course of events, has been the main subject of diplomatic tensions, negotiations and protests, and is what the man on the street likely thinks of when he hears the words "Crimean crisis." --

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There is no "fun" in an issue where lives are being lost. But quite literally, in terms of facts on the ground, it is. Im sure sources backing that would roll in BTW, but lets keep it civil and on point. Ok VM? I respect you as a WP stalwart, so lets keep it cool.

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As for the "facts" from "around the world" that confirm that little green men are indeed Russian without citing credible sources... Cant recall media coverage ever being more biased - on all sides. Russian first channel reported people fleeing Ukraine, CNN

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And the Malvinas son Argentinas, Dokdo is Korean, Kosovo je Serbia, etc etc etc etc etc. Doesn't really fit in much about how we should name this article, however, so I don't see the point of this argument. Nobody is using a title change to claim that X

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It isn't the main subject. Demonstrations by civilians are the main topic of the "crisis", and what initiated it. The intervention is only a small subset of what has actually occurred. Regardless, a merge discussion was already closed as "no consensus".

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Specificity. This article title move is not a squabble over who owns what, or any of that nonsense; the title should be clear, precise and specific in regards to what it is describing, and simply "Ukraine" isn't specific enough. We don't call the

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since when Crimea has a Gibraltar like status? Only half of population in Crimea is Russian, so stop your false remarks. There are heavily armed Russian soldiers without clear identifications who are trying to disarm the Ukrainian military.

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Aha, now we getting somewhere! What I said was what I don’t know whether Ukrainian army hold joint exercises with your northern neighbour. You perverted it and lashed out on me personally. Are you sure you wish to make it personal?

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I didn't get what this IP fellow meant at first, but looking at the list it does make this look like a real shooting war between Ukraine and Russia with the support list looking like those nations are providing material support.

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This is circular reasoning. Once Russia wrests control of Crimea away from Ukraine, it is no longer part of Ukraine, and therefore Russia did not invade Ukraine? That doesn't hold water. In addition, Russia has already

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This is a military conflict infobox and those countries should be removed immediately because they offer diplomatic support only and no form of combat support whatsoever. There's also a special article for that →

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based on the offered rationale. Crimea is "a significant part of Ukraine." By the same reasoning presented here, we might be led to replace "Russian military" with a description of the individual units involved.

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lost its credibility. If you have facts that prove different that needs to be included in the article. But just labeling it disinformation or POV or western Ukraine POV is nothing more than POV. Don't you see?

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Again, there are issues with the legitimacy of that local administration. Is it Ukrainian colonial or is it accountable to the Crimean population. In elections, I doubt they would survive anyway. Its Russia.

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Even if your military already has a presence by using a port in another country, it doesn't mean you can occupy its government institutions. There's a difference between that and just being there. --

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The title of the article is wrong, there was no military intervention until proven otherwise. The organised self-defence Crimea forces are all Ukraine citizens. And they didn't even fight anyone.

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Echoing this. We don't call the Vietnam War the "Vietnam, East Cambodia and North Laos War", even though fighting took place in more than just Vietnam. Has everyone here ever heard of the

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Why do we have a section exclusively for America? America is not involved in this intervention. Why is it being singled out? Are we going to have a separate section for Turkey too,

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Since residents of Crimea who participated in the referendum chose to join Russia (96%) isn't blocking such a move wrong under International laws of right to self-determination.

350:, what are you talking about?? Just because you are not familiar with joint training exercises does not prove anything, but the fact that you dont know anything about military. 2301: 3056:"Support" lists should be removed, or it looks like World War. Claimed "supports" are just their official opinions on issue. Compare with pages on other military conflicts. 1593:. The upcoming referendum will determine whether or not it joins Russia. But as of now, the Crimean government does not regard the Republic of Crimea to be in the Ukraine.-- 1516: 1077:. The upcoming referendum will determine whether or not it joins Russia. But as of now, the Crimean government does not regard the Republic of Crimea to be in the Ukraine.-- 3209: 1134: 860:

of diverse international law academic perspectives should be included, or if this is not done then no academic perspectives should be shown at all. NPOV must be upheld.--

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If you have specific concerns about a statement, or a paragraph, in the existing article, suggest specific improvements, and please use the techniques identified in the

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.

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thing that matters in this discussion. Our opinions on the matter are not relevant nor is whether or not anyone's actions are legal or illegal by international law.

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If this isn't already in the article, it at least used to be. It doesn't seem too significant to me considering all that has taken place over the past few months.

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I've just noticed the American section tagged. It's an easy way to fix it. I'm doing it now. You are welcome to add Turkey into new section structure. - Altenmann

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What should the name be if after March 16th, the Crimean government considers itself part of Russia while Ukraine rejects it? This is a widely expected outcome.

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We would have to call it Russian military intervention in Crimea and Kherson. The effects of the referendum, regardless of recognition, are not retroactive.--

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Not knowingly or on purpose. Someone(probably you) edited the section before I finished my sentence, so I must've copy edited my own unsaved edits on yours.

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military is already there. I would suggest NPOV input. A renaming to Russian reinforcement of Crimean military bases is NPOV. Invasion is laden with issues.

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The status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine is disputed. The proposed title has no NPOV concerns as it simply states the geographic area and is more focused.

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Any determination of what to do would here have to wait until to see what will happen with the referendum. However this is a start to address such issues.--

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fleet commander gave Ukrainian troops in Crimea 24 hours to surrender. Hence it is a good practice to doublecheck information from alternative sources. --

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The incidents you've mentioned of these men detained.. Cant recall of that ever coming up either on BBC, Sky News or RussiaToday... Please post a link.

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p. 8: " Regardless of your passport, what do you consider yourself?" - 40% Russian, 24% Crimean, 15% Ukrainian, 15% Crimean Tatar, 5% other, 1% DK/NA

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Are there officially recognized and published evidence of violations of the treaty on the presence of Russian troops on the territory of Ukraine?

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an intervention limited to a single geographic area with a complicated history. Knowledge (XXG) is not supposed to be some propaganda outlet.--

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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and accept that explanation. Note how I'm not accusing you of conspiring against me - let that be a lesson in proper behaviour for you.

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What is that supposed to mean? How is that POV??? At least I am not hiding unlike somebody else who accuses me groundlessly in POV.

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http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2013%20October%207%20Survey%20of%20Crimean%20Public%20Opinion%2C%20May%2016-30%2C%202013.pdf

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the "2011 Japan earthquake" (we refer to the region of Japan where it happened, namely the Tōhoku region), and we don't call the

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The acting Crimean government has declared independence from Ukraine, it is now claiming to be a sovereign state called the

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The acting Crimean government has declared independence from Ukraine, it is now claiming to be a sovereign state called the

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back. Sebastopol is in the Crimea. It is not in the "Autonomous Republic of Crimea", but it is in the geographic location.

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I agree that it is definitely not an "invasion". Such a characterization would be a serious distortion and POV push.--

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Depends on what "Crimea" you're referring to. Administratively and geopolitically, yes, the Crimean Republic and the

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reverted my edit on the talk page where I requested he assume good faith. This is entirely unacceptable behaviour.

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Under international law this is an illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Intervention is soft-coating the truth!

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p. 14: "If Ukraine was able to enter only one international economic union, which entity should it be with?" - 53%

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i agree. I suggest it be closed via admin. As to the other sections spreading light at this point, time will tell..

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We need to have reliable soures which consider the intervention in details if we want to avoid original research.

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article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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I agree, instead is should be "war crimes" as Russian troops are shooting Ukraine troops without declaring a war.

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know each other by name." How do you call other than assumption? There is an annual exercise that takes place in

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exercises with Russia (or other CIS countries for that matter). Hence only senior officers (in both senses)

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there appear to be Russian paramilitaries in eastern Ukrainian oblasts too, and the article covers this. --

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nationalism. On 1 March 2014 the bill repealing the law was vetoed by Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov.

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Putin's stooges should stop stooping to that "fascist" name calling against anyone that opposes them. And

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is in the peninsula but separated administratively from Crimea. By your logic, the correct name should be

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The last sentence of the following is unclear. Is Russian now an official language of Ukraine or not?

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Call it "dark humor". Now, can you find a reliable source which states that Crimea is part of Russia?

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This is an Invasion borderline War with the first Ukrainian soldier shot and killed by Russian troops

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OMFG. That's a contradiction in terms. Putting similar re related content into a separate article is

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p. 17 "In your opinion, what should the status of Crimea be?" - 53% Autonomy in Ukraine (as today),

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that we can have another shot at it if events demonstrate the possibility for a different outcome.

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I do not know why it was called "Russian Spring" but I have moved the title to the more neutral

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Threats?? Oh no, I was about to propose you to marry me (to get personal and all that) ;-P --

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I just found a very interesting series of polls conducted in Crimea in May 16–30, 2013 by the

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wikipedia has gone bad to worse, everywhere is propaganda. hopefully it will go down soon.

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Very good point, and I would agree with the pattern if the proposed title included "war".--

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of Sevastopol are separate, however if we are talking about geography, there is only one

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Here's an important press release of the U.S. Department of State, which describes :

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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is a policy on Knowledge (XXG), articles shouldn't be pro-anything.--

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Absolutely wrong! Please count the Russian soldiers acting there ! --

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Americans invaded Iraqi.. Afghanistan.. and none was done by UNO!

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Clarification requested regarding Russian as an official language

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intervention in Crimea and not in any other part of Ukraine.--

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So I think this particular Talk page section entitled

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